TC Stainless steel wire

[Richard46]

Jan 25, 2016 19:34:24 GMT nanotm said:

Richard46 yeah it was normally I would buy a larger roll off stealthvape for that price but I didn't want to get left with a huge amount of useless wire if it didn't work out, I checked crazy on amazon but their price wasn't any cheaper at the time I placed the order,

nanotm my first choice would have been Stealthvape but he does not sell SS. Never has AFAIK.

[nanotm]

Jan 25, 2016 19:57:47 GMT Richard46 said:

Jan 25, 2016 19:34:24 GMT nanotm said:

Richard46 yeah it was normally I would buy a larger roll off stealthvape for that price but I didn't want to get left with a huge amount of useless wire if it didn't work out, I checked crazy on amazon but their price wasn't any cheaper at the time I placed the order,

nanotm my first choice would have been Stealthvape but he does not sell SS. Never has AFAIK.

yeah I was meaning the price per meter, although in fairness he does have some amazing bargain items in stock on the main website
www.stealthvape.co.uk/rebuildable-supplies/tesla-ecig
www.stealthvape.co.uk/rebuildable-supplies/OSCILLATION-OVERTHRUSTER
www.stealthvape.co.uk/wire/free-wire

the last one is a particular bargain that I might just order if the ebay prices weren't better value giving you 75mtr spools for the price of what most people seem to charge for 15mtrs.....

[Richard46]

Jan 25, 2016 20:15:14 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 25, 2016 19:57:47 GMT Richard46 said:

nanotm my first choice would have been Stealthvape but he does not sell SS. Never has AFAIK.

yeah I was meaning the price per meter, although in fairness he does have some amazing bargain items in stock on the main website
www.stealthvape.co.uk/rebuildable-supplies/tesla-ecig
www.stealthvape.co.uk/rebuildable-supplies/OSCILLATION-OVERTHRUSTER
www.stealthvape.co.uk/wire/free-wire

the last one is a particular bargain that I might just order if the ebay prices weren't better value giving you 75mtr spools for the price of what most people seem to charge for 15mtrs.....

Admittedly the Wireless Atomizer/Cartomizer Power Supply looks expensive but I am sure a bulk purchase price could be negotiated.

[jtc]

Well I've had the strangest experience tonight.
Ive been using the crazy wire company 25 gauge 317L for quite some time and all seems to have been good.
Around Christmas I decided to stock up in the sales and bought 5 rolls of their 24 gauge 317L tmc wire.
Tonight I used the 24 gauge for the first time in my crius and I've found the resistance to be considerably lower. Anyway I went with it and have dual contact coils 2.5 ID 8 wraps and it's at 0.16 ohms.
I did some cotton burn tests and found I could turn my DNA200 temperature all the way up without a mark on the cotton so I thought great.
Now the really strange thing I found is with the 25 gauge around 400F was enough heat to create the vape I enjoy but with this 24 gauge I need to turn it up around the 500F mark to get the same satisfaction.
I'm using the same haywire curve from steam engine which I assume I would still use but why is it so different?
It's not a massive problem as it's now working well at the higher temperature in 3 tanks I've built but I'm quite eager to understand why.
Anyone have any idea please?

[VapingBad]

I am no expert, but my understanding is that because ss grades are hardness and corrosion orientated they do not include the proportion of each metal in the alloy let alone the electrical properties so batches even from the same plant can differ. That is one reason I would go to specialist vape suppliers and not wire suppliers that have a vapers portal. Even then they have to be on the ball to catch this by testing every batch. Hopefully these guys will just make a heated oil set up to make there own csv for DNA200 and TCR for other mods it would not be expensive.

[charliehorse]

Jan 25, 2016 23:48:00 GMT VapingBad said:

I am no expert, but my understanding is that because ss grades are hardness and corrosion orientated they do not include the proportion of each metal in the alloy let alone the electrical properties so batches even from the same plant can differ. That is one reason I would go to specialist vape suppliers and not wire suppliers that have a vapers portal. Even then they have to be on the ball to catch this by testing every batch. Hopefully these guys will just make a heated oil set up to make there own csv for DNA200 and TCR for other mods it would not be expensive.

Any idea on a good supplier of stainless wire then VapingBad ? or anyone else ?

Normally I would buy from stealthvape but as has been said earlier in this thread they don't appear to stock ss

[VapingBad]

Sorry I don't charliehorse but I've generally been happy with Ni, but using dual coil cotton on a older mod that needs >= 0.1 ohm I find Ti promising and hear good things about SVs NiFe30 even being better than ss.

[charliehorse]

Cheers VapingBad - Now off to find out what Google can tell me about NiFe30

[nanotm]

Jan 26, 2016 0:11:17 GMT charliehorse said:

Cheers VapingBad - Now off to find out what Google can tell me about NiFe30

well all the indications so far is the NiFe30 has been around for decades and is safer in terms of the fumes the other types of wires produce than anything else plus it can be used as a contact wire which would be a major plus point, the problem with it like most things though will be how long it takes for mods to catch on and produce profiles, clearly steathvape has a jump on most since he's managed ot produce a decent range of products and even has wire profiles based on it in the steam engine online calculator, including having the profile data for the dna devices.... if you do a bing search for nifi30 wire then you will get several forum posts in the return that will give you links to various blogs and lots of info about NiFe30, you can also look up NiFe and discover about how it was used in wet batteries for 70+ years along with how its still used as the primary power option for a lot of dedicated switchgear in rail networks and the like .....

essentially its got a safe working temperature over 600degrees celcius and has been used in a lot of electrical applications for decades in all kinds of everyday items, which makes it almost as good as kanthal

[letsavit]

Jan 25, 2016 23:48:00 GMT VapingBad said:

I am no expert, but my understanding is that because ss grades are hardness and corrosion orientated they do not include the proportion of each metal in the alloy let alone the electrical properties so batches even from the same plant can differ. That is one reason I would go to specialist vape suppliers and not wire suppliers that have a vapers portal. Even then they have to be on the ball to catch this by testing every batch. Hopefully these guys will just make a heated oil set up to make there own csv for DNA200 and TCR for other mods it would not be expensive.

The stuff I sent you the .4 317 seems most stable... All from Crazy wire, your favourite shop...!

[jtc]

Can you build contact coils with Nife30?
Think I might try some of this stuff

[jtc]

After trying so many different ss wires and only finding one I've been happy with in TC, it's no longer for sale
Think I'm giving it up as there's too many variables for my liking.
Never thought I'd say it but I'm swaying towards ss in normal power mode

[VapingBad]

Jan 26, 2016 5:06:50 GMT jtc said:

Can you build contact coils with Nife30?
Think I might try some of this stuff

IIRC you can, but just what I think I remember reading on the Evolv forum, but it spread all over the place there, just had a quick butchers and it is mentioned in these 2 threads.

evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/ss430-has-anyone-tried-it-7890699
evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/what-is-your-prefered-temp-wire-7894565

[nanotm]

Jan 26, 2016 9:41:28 GMT VapingBad said:

Jan 26, 2016 5:06:50 GMT jtc said:

Can you build contact coils with Nife30?
Think I might try some of this stuff

IIRC you can, but just what I think I remember reading on the Evolv forum, but it spread all over the place there, just had a quick butchers and it is mentioned in these 2 threads.

evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/ss430-has-anyone-tried-it-7890699
evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/what-is-your-prefered-temp-wire-7894565

yeah I read that it was like kanthal and ss in that regard, you use it the same way and it would certainly make the coil building easier, I do like that you need less wraps to hit the resitence levels as well, trying to build a dual coil spaced ni200 in a crius at 0.1ohms is murder, either it shorts on the caseing or the deck .....

[VapingBad]

Jan 26, 2016 10:38:40 GMT nanotm said:

Jan 26, 2016 9:41:28 GMT VapingBad said:

IIRC you can, but just what I think I remember reading on the Evolv forum, but it spread all over the place there, just had a quick butchers and it is mentioned in these 2 threads.

evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/ss430-has-anyone-tried-it-7890699
evolvapor.forumchitchat.com/post/what-is-your-prefered-temp-wire-7894565

yeah I read that it was like kanthal and ss in that regard, you use it the same way and it would certainly make the coil building easier, I do like that you need less wraps to hit the resitence levels as well, trying to build a dual coil spaced ni200 in a crius at 0.1ohms is murder, either it shorts on the caseing or the deck .....

Yea with the min 0.1 ohm limit Ni dual coils gennies were fine with twisted 0.16 mm, but it was a challenge with cotton.  These days I use twisted 0.25 or triple twisted 0.2, but that is 0.05 ohm so not so many mods will do it.