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Post by pipeman01 on Jan 22, 2016 17:26:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 17:28:49 GMT
This man was cleared of rape. This beggars belief. However if one is a 'preacher of hate' they seem able to spread their message scot free.
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Post by Get Off My Cloud on Jan 22, 2016 17:33:56 GMT
Insane, just insane.
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Post by *-SARIN-* on Jan 22, 2016 18:55:18 GMT
Sounds dubious and i suspect that these restrictions will be removed after he consults a decent barrister. Either that or the full story is not being told. I can't believe that he agreed to these terms tbh, especially if he was acquitted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 19:20:30 GMT
*-SARIN-* the legislation is set out in the penultimate paragraph. In my opinion it is ridiculous however if it does stop people becoming the victims of sexual offences then this has to be a good thing. As long as some scumbag does not name him on social media.
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Post by yahoo2u2 on Jan 22, 2016 19:26:41 GMT
More to this than we are being told or are able to be told.
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Post by *-SARIN-* on Jan 22, 2016 19:31:19 GMT
*-SARIN-* the legislation is set out in the penultimate paragraph. In my opinion it is ridiculous however if it does stop people becoming the victims of sexual offences then this has to be a good thing. As long as some scumbag does not name him on social media. Yes i've just read it properly rather than skimming as i did before. The real issue is that the guy was acquitted so essentially a non-guilty man has had these restrictions imposed on him. What's stopping them putting these restrictions on you or me? Other than that there is the stigma of having this order against you, like the guys life isn't already ruined. The quicker it is law that not only the victim but also the alleged perpetrator's identities are kept hidden until a verdict is given the better. I know more than one person that has had their whole life ruined by a fake rape claim, one was acquitted after just 16 minutes deliberation by the jury! On the other hand the penalties for females that are caught lying about a rape isn't harsh enough. I'm not talking about the cases where there is some doubt, i'm talking about the ones where they eventually say that they made it up. Not only do they cause untold misery for the innocent male but also add to the increasing number of females that don't report rape because they don't think that they will be believed. NB. I've had a beer, it could be a long night *Jumped off my soapbox
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 19:43:41 GMT
*-SARIN-* the legislation is set out in the penultimate paragraph. In my opinion it is ridiculous however if it does stop people becoming the victims of sexual offences then this has to be a good thing. As long as some scumbag does not name him on social media. Yes i've just read it properly rather than skimming as i did before. The real issue is that the guy was acquitted so essentially a non-guilty man has had these restrictions imposed on him. What's stopping them putting these restrictions on you or me? Other than that there is the stigma of having this order against you, like the guys life isn't already ruined. The quicker it is law that not only the victim but also the alleged perpetrator's identities are kept hidden until a verdict is given the better. I know more than one person that has had their whole life ruined by a fake rape claim, one was acquitted after just 16 minutes deliberation by the jury! On the other hand the penalties for females that are caught lying about a rape isn't harsh enough. I'm not talking about the cases where there is some doubt, i'm talking about the ones where they eventually say that they made it up. Not only do they cause untold misery for the innocent male but also add to the increasing number of females that don't report rape because they don't think that they will be believed. NB. I've had a beer, it could be a long night *Jumped off my soapbox *-SARIN-* my friend, I totally agree with you regarding females who make malicious complaints need much harsher sentencing. Regarding the gentleman in this case (I need to tread very carefully) may have displayed other behaviour traits not necessarily linked to this case that warranted this order.
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Post by *-SARIN-* on Jan 22, 2016 19:50:53 GMT
Yes i've just read it properly rather than skimming as i did before. The real issue is that the guy was acquitted so essentially a non-guilty man has had these restrictions imposed on him. What's stopping them putting these restrictions on you or me? Other than that there is the stigma of having this order against you, like the guys life isn't already ruined. The quicker it is law that not only the victim but also the alleged perpetrator's identities are kept hidden until a verdict is given the better. I know more than one person that has had their whole life ruined by a fake rape claim, one was acquitted after just 16 minutes deliberation by the jury! On the other hand the penalties for females that are caught lying about a rape isn't harsh enough. I'm not talking about the cases where there is some doubt, i'm talking about the ones where they eventually say that they made it up. Not only do they cause untold misery for the innocent male but also add to the increasing number of females that don't report rape because they don't think that they will be believed. NB. I've had a beer, it could be a long night *Jumped off my soapbox *-SARIN-* my friend, I totally agree with you regarding females who make malicious complaints need much harsher sentencing. Regarding the gentleman in this case (I need to tread very carefully) may have displayed other behaviour traits not necessarily linked to this case that warranted this order. This i suspect is true.
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Post by Bobsbeer on Jan 22, 2016 20:01:09 GMT
It seems this order can be applied for by the police regardless of any charge or conviction. So I guess we all could have one of these applied if the police went to a magistrate and applied for an order. Seems a rather draconian measure given that no charge or conviction is required to hand out one of these orders. What evidence is required I don't know.
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Post by Get Off My Cloud on Jan 22, 2016 20:05:20 GMT
*-SARIN-* the legislation is set out in the penultimate paragraph. In my opinion it is ridiculous however if it does stop people becoming the victims of sexual offences then this has to be a good thing. As long as some scumbag does not name him on social media. How could this possibly prevent a sex offence?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 20:07:35 GMT
*-SARIN-* the legislation is set out in the penultimate paragraph. In my opinion it is ridiculous however if it does stop people becoming the victims of sexual offences then this has to be a good thing. As long as some scumbag does not name him on social media. How could this possibly prevent a sex offence? Because it puts an extra hurdle in front of the person that is under the order. There would obviously be penalties for non compliance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 20:08:42 GMT
It seems this order can be applied for by the police regardless of any charge or conviction. So I guess we all could have one of these applied if the police went to a magistrate and applied for an order. Seems a rather draconian measure given that no charge or conviction is required to hand out one of these orders. What evidence is required I don't know. Less evidence than that for a conviction I assume.
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Post by Bluefish on Jan 22, 2016 20:09:22 GMT
Sex ASBO, heard it all now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 20:10:38 GMT
Sex ASBO, heard it all now. Essentially what it seems to be.
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