Giving up

[PinkyPuff]

From what I know you need to eat in order to lose weight.
www.mindbodygreen.com/0-20163/why-eating-more-not-less-can-help-you-lose-weight.html
www.coachcalorie.com/not-eating-enough-calories-to-lose-weight/

However lobeydosser I hope what you started get you a results you want.I couldn't do this as I love food way too much.:)The reason I workout 6 days a week is....

[lobeydosser]

Thanks for the links PinkyPuff.

I have more problems than just losing weight and so I have to be careful to choose a diet that controls factors other than just the weight, although I am also aware of the facts that in losing some weight will help overall.

The Fast Diet is helping me physically and I can see improvements there already.
In time it will also (hopefully) improve my long term mental capabilities and, so far, that seems to be improving in that I feel more upbeat about my life in general.

Added to the Fast Diet I am now doing a TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) regime where-by I eat less than I expend and lose some weight that way. That happens 5 days a week.

Today is a Fast Day and I have not eaten anything since 9pm last night. I will continue the Fast until 9pm tonight when I can enjoy a feast (!!!) of a cup of raw Carrot.
My first proper meal will be at 8am tomorrow.

Oh what joy there will be in a bowl of Rice Crispies!!!!!!

[PinkyPuff]

I think is very brave of you.I don't think I could cope with not eating.The moment someone tell me I can't eat something this become exactly what I want to eat,lol.Nevermind not eat for 24 hours.I had a friend that did some cleansing diet,he would drink just water for 7 days I think it was.
It take a lot of will power to make such a drastic change.Wishing you good luck.

[lobeydosser]

Actually PinkyPuff, the Fast part is really easy for me. I only feel hungry after I have eaten something. If I don't eat anything when I get up in the morning, then I can normally go to about lunchtime before I start to get hunger pangs.
Even at that, these feeling only last 5 mins and then disappear and if I am busy or have other things to think about then we are talking a few seconds before they vamoos.

The hard part comes as I near the 24 hour bit, that's life.

Actually I am allowed to eat up to 600 cals on a Fast Day, but I choose not to do so.
Fasting is a "mind thing" and the more I do it and the more rigorous I apply it, the easier it will become in time.

[*-SARIN-*]

The secret to dieting is......

Putting out more than you are putting in. Fad diets don't work in the long run as when you stop your body starts to re-fuel with all the stuff you shouldn't be eating. A balanced diet and exercise are the key to staying at a healthy weight.

[thebishman]

Lobeydosser, i thought id experiment today.

I ate a TINY portion of shredded wheats this morning at 5.30am. And decided to wait and see when i actually feel hungry. I got to 11.30am and i was feeling a little light headed and hungry. I had made sure i drunk lots of water through out the morning too. Then i ate my sandwiches at 12pm.

Ive kearnt it must be hard going 24hrs without anything...i do think its a good idea to eat the 600calories they say you should. I have a mate who is a health and fitness fanatic and i told him about this diet/lifestyle. His first words were..."well the next time you eat that will turn to fat so your not acheiving anything". I didnt know what to say to that! Any comments on his statement lobey?

Cheers

Bish

[lobeydosser]

Fair goes and common sense to some folks *-SARIN-*

But, not everyone is capable of doing "exercise" and by the time folks realise that it is time to go on a diet, exercise as others would designate it, is beyond their capabilities.

The problem with putting on weight is that you don't realise the harm it is doing to you and because it goes on so slowly, you are unaware of the fact that there are things that you used to do without thinking about them, suddenly you can no longer do. Too late you find yourself in the catch 22 situation that until you lose weight and get healthier Exercise and other magical "cures" are well out of your reach.

In fact exercise is a bit of a misnomer. One does not need to "exercise" to burn energy. Building 4 large raised beds in my back garden using 60 odd 16 foot by 6 inch by 2 inch thick planks last year burned more energy than I could count, but in no way would I class that as exercise.

I do understand that some lifestyles would make it necessary for folks to use a gym or pound the streets for hours but fortunately exercise where I knock my pan in and go nowhere does not come onto my radar.
Digging the garden, sawing timber, building something of worth, now that is what I call worthwhile exercise and ofcourse not only do I have something of worth at the end of it, but I have enjoyed myself in the process.

[lobeydosser]

Feb 1, 2016 17:10:22 GMT thebishman said:

Lobeydosser, i thought id experiment today.

I ate a TINY portion of shredded wheats this morning at 5.30am. And decided to wait and see when i actually feel hungry. I got to 11.30am and i was feeling a little light headed and hungry. I had made sure i drunk lots of water through out the morning too. Then i ate my sandwiches at 12pm.

Ive kearnt it must be hard going 24hrs without anything...i do think its a good idea to eat the 600calories they say you should. I have a mate who is a health and fitness fanatic and i told him about this diet/lifestyle. His first words were..."well the next time you eat that will turn to fat so your not acheiving anything". I didnt know what to say to that! Any comments on his statement lobey?

Cheers

Bish

Total rubbish!

We all burn a certain amount of calories each day, even if we never get out of bed.

Nothing that you eat is going to go to fat until you eat more calories than what your body needs to get through that day.

My body needs over 2,500 cals each day and that is a helluva lot of calories just to keep me alive.

However, as I do 2 Fast Days per week, during those days that I Fast, my body is using stored energy (fat) and, as long as I completely fast only for short periods, IE less than 5 continuous days, then medically speaking I will be doing my body more good than harm.

On the day following a Fast Day, I do not eat "normally". Quite the opposite, as smaller portions than usual, fill me up and I have found that it is day 2 or even 3 before I start to once agin eat my normal portion sizes.

Since starting the 5:2 diet, my portion sizes have dropped considerably yet I still feel satisfied at the end of every meal.

[thebishman]

Your reply has literally echoed the research ive found regarding this diet. Proofs in the pudding me thinks. Well done mate if its working for you then keep at it.

I want to lose a stone. Maybe 2 at most. But because i have such a physical job i do wonder if this diet would he good or too much for me. Energy wise.

[*-SARIN-*]

Feb 1, 2016 17:10:22 GMT thebishman said:

Lobeydosser, i thought id experiment today.

I ate a TINY portion of shredded wheats this morning at 5.30am. And decided to wait and see when i actually feel hungry. I got to 11.30am and i was feeling a little light headed and hungry. I had made sure i drunk lots of water through out the morning too. Then i ate my sandwiches at 12pm.

Ive kearnt it must be hard going 24hrs without anything...i do think its a good idea to eat the 600calories they say you should. I have a mate who is a health and fitness fanatic and i told him about this diet/lifestyle. His first words were..."well the next time you eat that will turn to fat so your not acheiving anything". I didnt know what to say to that! Any comments on his statement lobey?

Cheers

Bish

Google the Krebs Cycle and the TCA Cycle for an understanding of what the fitness fanatic meant by his statement.  I warn you though, it's hard reading, metabolism in the body is extremely complex from a biologists point of view, that's without the biochemistry that sits outside the cycles.

[thebishman]

Cheers sarin i will read that.

[*-SARIN-*]

Feb 1, 2016 17:41:00 GMT thebishman said:

Cheers sarin i will read that.

The guy at the gym was technically right, when you deprive your body of food (energy) then it starts to use stored fat instead - this is the reason that crash diets work in the short term.  However, when you stop, and all crash dieters stop after a while, the body rapidly replenishes it's fat supplies and the weight bulks back on.  There is a reason that athletes eat little and often, normally 6 small meals a day.  Ever see a fat professional athlete?

[Raffles]

Feb 1, 2016 17:47:43 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Feb 1, 2016 17:41:00 GMT thebishman said:

Cheers sarin i will read that.

The guy at the gym was technically right, when you deprive your body of food (energy) then it starts to use stored fat instead - this is the reason that crash diets work in the short term.  However, when you stop, and all crash dieters stop after a while, the body rapidly replenishes it's fat supplies and the weight bulks back on.  There is a reason that athletes eat little and often, normally 6 small meals a day.  Ever see a fat professional athlete?

Good luck with your regime lobeydosser and we are all different. I just eat when I'm hungry, and quite often go all day with just a sandwich. Normally I never eat anything before late afternoon, and never have breakfast, unless in a hotel where, if I've paid for it, I'll take it.

[lobeydosser]

Every other day there are a couple of Joggers running past my house. Hail, rain or snow they are out there pounding their way along the road.

Now one thing I have noticed about all Joggers, they all have earphones dangling from their lugs.
So either they are not allowed to listen to music in their own homes or they find Jogging so mind numbingly boring that they need some distraction to keep themselves sane.

[thebishman]

Joggin gives pretty much 0 extra benfits to a brisk walk. Just allows the jogger to win knackered knees and hips later in life.

I love it when people say they go running. They dont atall. They jog. At a pace thats comfortable. Which isnt ideal for fitness or weight loss.

HIT training is where the cool kids hang out