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[VapingBad]

He was allowed to get some of that info as it warned him about a situation where the car was likely to break down, but they went too far telling him to avoid 7th gear, that was considered driver couching. Lewis's car was not going to break down by being in the wrong mode so telling him how to set the right mode would have been considered driver couching and against the rules. The word is this will end in either these rules being dropped or almost no radio communication.

[Phoenixflame (Julie)]

I hope they drop the radio rules. I used to like hearing all the transmissions, (except when Nico is whingeing).

[VapingBad]

They all whinge at times, but Nico did seem the worst at asking how do I drive it faster.

[MRS SLEEPY]

Jul 10, 2016 22:49:39 GMT VapingBad said:

He was allowed to get some of that info as it warned him about a situation where the car was likely to break down, but they went too far telling him to avoid 7th gear, that was considered driver couching. Lewis's car was not going to break down by being in the wrong mode so telling him how to set the right mode would have been considered driver couching and against the rules. The word is this will end in either these rules being dropped or almost no radio communication.

Well if the car is likely to break down. Why was he not told to come in?

[VapingBad]

Jul 10, 2016 23:11:43 GMT MRS SLEEPY said:

Jul 10, 2016 22:49:39 GMT VapingBad said:

He was allowed to get some of that info as it warned him about a situation where the car was likely to break down, but they went too far telling him to avoid 7th gear, that was considered driver couching. Lewis's car was not going to break down by being in the wrong mode so telling him how to set the right mode would have been considered driver couching and against the rules. The word is this will end in either these rules being dropped or almost no radio communication.

Well if the car is likely to break down. Why was he not told to come in?

The adjustment was to prevent it breaking down, it's the same for safety they can tell the driver to adjust something if it is safety.  EG they can't tell them they are making the breaks too hot or to cool the breaks until the breaks are about to fail completely and become a safety issue.  Previously they would be told before it became a problem so they could let them cool for a few laps and still have good breaks on the last lap.

[MRS SLEEPY]

Well I don't understand it. But My life stands still I have to watch it, Love it

[tim]

What I don't understand MRS SLEEPY is why it took the stewards 4 hours to decide which naughty step Nico had to sit on. It now stands that you get a 10sec penalty for breaking radio rules. We'll probably see another breach next race by one (at least) of the teams to see how far they can push it. Nico was told to use default settings on the computer to avoid car failure. That's allowed. Then they answered his question about how to avoid seventh gear. That's not allowed.

In default settings, he would likely have lost more places. If he carried on using seventh gear, he may have had a DNF. The punishment was too light in my opinion.

[charliehorse]

Jul 11, 2016 21:18:59 GMT tim said:

What I don't understand MRS SLEEPY is why it took the stewards 4 hours to decide which naughty step Nico had to sit on. It now stands that you get a 10sec penalty for breaking radio rules. We'll probably see another breach next race by one (at least) of the teams to see how far they can push it. Nico was told to use default settings on the computer to avoid car failure. That's allowed. Then they answered his question about how to avoid seventh gear. That's not allowed.

In default settings, he would likely have lost more places. If he carried on using seventh gear, he may have had a DNF. The punishment was too light in my opinion.

It probably took that long as no one has fallen foul of this up to now so no previous to go on.

Oh, and I don't think that 10 seconds is going to be a standard penalty given for breaking the rule, rather that 10 seconds was deemed appropriate in this case as it demoted Rosberg from second into third place, and it was the demotion rather than 10 seconds that was deemed an appropriate penalty.

Just my opinion of course and I could be totally wrong

[tim]

I doubt the 10sec penalty rule will become standard too charliehorse, but I won't be surprised if teams quote this incident when breaching the rule in future. However, the rules on radio need clearing up. Or, better still, ban the radio. Drivers coped fine without it in the past.

[Q]

Jul 11, 2016 21:38:30 GMT tim said:

I doubt the 10sec penalty rule will become standard too charliehorse , but I won't be surprised if teams quote this incident when breaching the rule in future. However, the rules on radio need clearing up. Or, better still, ban the radio. Drivers coped fine without it in the past.

A man with the same ideas as me, give them a car with a clutch and gearbox, get rid of ALL the driver aids, stupid steering wheel switches... everything, including the radio.

Lets go back to the time when drivers drove their cars and pit crew hung a board over the pit wall as their driver went by

[tim]

Jul 12, 2016 0:14:37 GMT Q said:

Jul 11, 2016 21:38:30 GMT tim said:

I doubt the 10sec penalty rule will become standard too charliehorse , but I won't be surprised if teams quote this incident when breaching the rule in future. However, the rules on radio need clearing up. Or, better still, ban the radio. Drivers coped fine without it in the past.

A man with the same ideas as me, give them a car with a clutch and gearbox, get rid of ALL the driver aids, stupid steering wheel switches... everything, including the radio.

Lets go back to the time when drivers drove their cars and pit crew hung a board over the pit wall as their driver went by

I'd also outlaw the DRS system too Q. Make them overtake with skill, not assistance!

[VapingBad]

They have just tightened the radio restrictions a little.
www.crash.net/f1/news/232258/1/fia-tweaks-radio-rules-ahead-of-hungarian-gp.html

Messages than can be permitted to the driver during a race – revised regulations

1. Acknowledgement that a driver's message has been heard, this may include repeating the message back to the driver for the sole purpose of confirmation.
2. Indication of a problem with the car, any message of this sort must include an irreversible instruction to enter the pits to rectify the problem or to retire the car.
3. Information concerning damage to the bodywork of the car.
4. Instructions to select driver defaults, this must be for the sole purpose of mitigating loss of function of a sensor, actuator or controller whose degradation or failure was not detected and handled by the on-board software.
It will be the responsibility of any team giving any such instruction to satisfy the FIA technical delegate that this was the case and that any new setting chosen in this way did not enhance the performance of the car beyond that prior to the loss of function (see Article 8.2.4 of the Technical Regulations).
5. Indication of a problem with a competitor's car.
6. Marshalling information (yellow flag, red flag, blue flag, safety car, virtual safety car, race start aborted or other similar instructions or information from race control). This would include a reminder to switch off the SC “delta time” function after crossing the first safety car line twice from the time the SC was deployed.
7. Passing on messages from race control (this would include a countdown to the start of the formation lap and telling a driver that the last car has taken up position on the grid at the end of the formation lap).
8. Wet track, oil or debris in certain corners.
9. Weather information.
10. Information concerning the driver's own lap time or sector times.
11. Lap time of a competitor.
12. Helping with warning of traffic and gaps to other competitors during a practice session or race.
13. Instructions to swap position with other drivers.
14. Number of laps or time remaining during a practice session or race.
15. Position during a practice session or race.
16. “Push hard”, “push now”, “you will be racing xx”, “take it easy” or similar (you are reminded about suspected use of coded messages when giving these messages or any words of encouragement).
17. When to enter the pits (or go to the grid during reconnaissance laps), any message of this sort may only be used if the driver is to enter the pits on that lap. Having been told when to enter the pits drivers may also be told to stay out if there has been a change of circumstances.
Drivers may also be told what to do once they have entered the pits, e.g. “drive through”, “stop in the box”, “practice pit stop”, “into the garage” or similar information related to the pit stop.
18. The driver's own race pit stop strategy as well as those of his competitors, this is limited to the timing of pit stops and which tyres will be (or have been) used. For the avoidance of doubt, no car or power unit set up may be included in any such strategy discussion.
19. Reminders to use the pit speed limiter, change tyre settings to match the tyres fitted to the car or to check for white lines, bollards, weighbridge lights when entering or leaving the pits.
20. Driving breaches by team driver or competitor, e.g. missing chicanes, running off track, time penalty will be applied etc.
21. Notification that DRS is enabled or disabled.
22. Dealing with a DRS system failure.
23. Oil transfer.

[tim]

Watching Nico set a purple sector two time through double yellow flags during Q3 makes one wonder if he needs to run over the stewards to get a penalty.....

If slowing for the bend counts as "lifting off", I think I've got got the rules completely misinterpreted.

[Bobsbeer]

Slowing by 0.1 of a second is hardly lifting in my book. The rules are for the safety of others on the track, so should be very strictly observed. The start this afternoon will be interesting. Lets just hope they don't crash into each other as they are want to do these days.

[Bobsbeer]

Well it was all about the start and for once Lewis got it right. After that it was a bit of a procession. Hamilton probably radioed that he was struggling for pace just to liven up his afternoon.