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Post by aaront903 on Apr 5, 2016 22:26:22 GMT
so with this all happening,what will the future hold for forums like this?advertising etc will be banned so was just wondering
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Post by Greg on Apr 5, 2016 22:37:50 GMT
Forum will remain
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Post by jtc on Apr 6, 2016 4:27:20 GMT
The bstrds won't get me
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Post by chykensa on Apr 6, 2016 23:12:19 GMT
As far as I am aware, advertising will be banned, but fora like ours, as long as it doesn't explicitly advertise products, should be OK. Time will tell . . .
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Post by tim on Apr 6, 2016 23:57:28 GMT
If we vote out of Europe, who knows? If we stay in, we will toe the line. We always do.
If we leave, anything is possible. Cannabis growing and sale is now legal in at least two U.S. states. And gaining popularity for the tax it brings in. So everything could change if we leave the EU.
Just a thought.
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Post by jtc on Apr 7, 2016 7:48:17 GMT
Yeah anything could happen but they will still tax and make as much money out of us that they can
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Post by Greg on Apr 7, 2016 8:17:33 GMT
Yeah anything could happen but they will still tax and make as much money out of us that they can I think they've missed that opportunity with me, I've enough gear stashed to last about 5 lifetimes
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Post by jtc on Apr 7, 2016 8:25:58 GMT
Yeah just a shame for the next generation. Hopefully things won't get too bad
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Post by Greg on Apr 7, 2016 8:36:06 GMT
Yeah just a shame for the next generation. Hopefully things won't get too bad There'll always be China
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Post by jtc on Apr 7, 2016 8:40:15 GMT
Yeah just a shame for the next generation. Hopefully things won't get too bad There'll always be China Yes hopefully it will work out ok for them Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
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Post by DiscoDes on Apr 7, 2016 9:25:40 GMT
If we vote out of Europe, who knows? If we stay in, we will toe the line. We always do. If we leave, anything is possible. Cannabis growing and sale is now legal in at least two U.S. states. And gaining popularity for the tax it brings in. So everything could change if we leave the EU. Just a thought. Even if we did a Brexit it would not change the impact of the TPD has on Vaping. See here : www.clivebates.com/?p=3748 Extract: "Case study: Brexit and vaping And with one bound they were free! Many vapers hope Brexit would free us from the ludicrous Article 20 of the EU Tobacco Products Directive. I don’t think it would. Here’s how I think it would go. We are likely to negotiate a settlement that requires compliance with single market regulations. So we could leave the EU and still have the TPD, with no say on its future. This is not certain but the most likely outcome in my view (see above). Even if we don’t have to have the TPD after Brexit, we will definitely have it over the crucial next few years while our exit is negotiated. The EU Tobacco Products Directive comes into effect 3 days before the referendum and would remain in force while we negotiated exit for two years and possibly longer. It might also be that the withdrawal agreement doesn’t come into force immediately (it has to be negotiated within two years). So we will have TPD for at least two years – any damage and rationalisation of the market will take place over that period. Even if we can change it after a few years, I doubt we will. Why would this be a priority in the UK when Parliament is likely to be jammed up with legislation that has to be changed? Even if we could change it and did, would it make much difference? I doubt it. Tobacco/nicotine policies have a habit of going in one direction only and being indifferent to evidence. Look at the snus ban, for example – supported by the UK. The UK is now among the more progressive voices on tobacco harm reduction – its influence would be lost on a subsequent reform of the TPD. If we have to comply anyway (by law or by default), we really need more progressive voices in the room as this directive evolves. By the time we could get something other than the TPD it could be time to review the directive anyway – that has to be done no later May 2021. It would be better if UK was in the room as the next iteration of the directive was formulated."
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Post by tim on Apr 7, 2016 21:27:24 GMT
I don't like the sound of that opinion at all DiscoDes. Very gloomy. I can't see why any controlling body would push something underground, rather than embracing the potential of improved health (although unproven to be risk free). If a black market springs up, they will have no control of it (see drugs), and reduced revenue from it. What is it they can't, or can see? Maybe it really is about subduing the masses. I'm getting despondent now......
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Post by DiscoDes on Apr 8, 2016 8:39:32 GMT
I don't like the sound of that opinion at all DiscoDes. Very gloomy. I can't see why any controlling body would push something underground, rather than embracing the potential of improved health (although unproven to be risk free). If a black market springs up, they will have no control of it (see drugs), and reduced revenue from it. What is it they can't, or can see? Maybe it really is about subduing the masses. I'm getting despondent now...... tim Actually there is lots of good news about how the TPD will be applied here in the UK: The latest great news seems to be that juice vendors will only need to test the highest nicotine content in their e-liquid range i.e if you manufactured a juice in 18, 12, 6 & 3 mg strength rather than test all 4 you only will need to test the 18mg. This is great news for the juice vendors and therefore us. It means that there is less cost to be passed on to us the customer. 0mg juice does not come under the TPD. Next is the 2ml tank "limit" it seems that already atomiser manufacturers are manufacturing tanks with a "spare" glass. So you get your 2ml tank brand new and when you get it you swap it for the 5ml tank glass that comes with the atomiser. Now you have a 5ml tank atomiser that was shipped and sold in a TPD compliant state. At the moment NO Juice manufacturers can send their juices to the DOH/MHRA for Emissions & Toxicoligy testing as the DOH/MHRA has yet to ratify the testing and get the test facilities in place. This does not mean that no-one can supply juice after May, it means that until the DOH/MHRA gets the testing sorted out and in place that we can carry on as before. There has been no indication from the DOH/MHRA when they will be in a position to start testing. See here at 1:08:00 I'm going to stick this information in its own thread as its such god news!
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Post by Bobsbeer on Apr 8, 2016 8:45:15 GMT
I agree BREXIT is not nor ever will be the saviour of vaping. As Clive make clear, by the time we leave the damage will have been done, and UK legislation will be in place. Unless studies come out conclusively proving that vaping does not cause harm, the quacks will still be on the side of a ban. For me personally I don't really care about it, but I do feel sorry for the new vapers coming down the line.
Innovation though usually has a way of getting around rules, and the draconian rules will spur new thinking and invention. So longer term I don't think it is all doom and gloom, whatever happens to TPD or BREXIT.
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