Everything Eliquid view of nicotine sales and TPD

[goneforagasper]

I emailed Callum at Everything Eliquid for clarification of nicotine sales and TPD - here is his reply

Regarding the sale of nicotine related to the TPD there are two aspects.

The first is until November the 20th we are legally allowed to import 72mg for sale into the retail market. After this date we can no longer import any for the retail market. We can, however, sell the stock that we have at that point.

With this in mind, we will be placing a large order to arrive just before the 20th to service the retail market for as long as possible. So we will most likely run out of 72mg nicotine that we are legally allowed to sell as retail December, January time.

Then it will become the post 72mg world. At this point we will be selling a maximum of 20mg nicotine in no larger than 10ml bottles.

It is a real shame that the government has decided that this will be the law, but unfortunately we will all have to work within it.

DIY will still be possible, just how we do it will change. Everything except the nicotine will remain the same.

[DiscoDes]

Pretty clear information IMO.

[pacman]

Yes easy reading that one

[Get Off My Cloud]

The 10ml bottle size is bloody daft because everyone will be buying large numbers of multiple bottles.

The 20mg strength isn't that big an issue PG or VG is cheap so it's not going to affect the price massively i shouldn't imagine but needing to order 20 bottles of nic at a time is just ridiculous.

[DiscoDes]

May 19, 2016 12:24:35 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

The 10ml bottle size is bloody daft because everyone will be buying large numbers of multiple bottles.

The 20mg strength isn't that big an issue PG or VG is cheap so it's not going to affect the price massively i shouldn't imagine but needing to order 20 bottles of nic at a time is just ridiculous.

I priced it out in THIS THREAD

To make 100ml before the TPD £6.72

To make 100ml post TPD £14.85

So there is over 100% increase in cost

Still alot cheaper than stinkies though!

[Perpetua]

May 19, 2016 12:24:35 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

 but needing to order 20 bottles of nic at a time is just ridiculous.

Isn't it just . . . . and will they all be recycled/reused or just contribute to environmental issues.

There's no logic, when supermarkets are legally required to charge for plastic carrier bags to encourage shoppers not to use them.

[cigeliquid]

May 19, 2016 14:03:38 GMT Perpetua said:

May 19, 2016 12:24:35 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

 but needing to order 20 bottles of nic at a time is just ridiculous.

Isn't it just . . . . and will they all be recycled/reused or just contribute to environmental issues.

There's no logic, when supermarkets are legally required to charge for plastic carrier bags to encourage shoppers not to use them.

Don't forget 10ml bottles are a choking hazard

[Deleted]

With the 1L bottles i just wash and reuse.
I am not going to do that with 100x10ml bottles
they would just be chucked in the bin.

[Puffing Billy]

May 19, 2016 12:59:38 GMT DiscoDes said:

I priced it out in THIS THREAD

To make 100ml before the TPD £6.72
To make 100ml post TPD £14.85
So there is over 100% increase in cost

And your costing was for juice at only 3mg/mL

Think about the cost for those, like me, who mix at 12 mg/mL or more. That'll be a juice which is 2/3 or more nicotine-base at 18mg/mL.

Will there be any room for flavour?

[Perpetua]

May 22, 2016 22:28:26 GMT Puffing Billy said:

May 19, 2016 12:59:38 GMT DiscoDes said:

I priced it out in THIS THREAD

To make 100ml before the TPD £6.72
To make 100ml post TPD £14.85
So there is over 100% increase in cost

And your costing was for juice at only 3mg/mL

Think about the cost for those, like me, who mix at 12 mg/mL or more. That'll be a juice which is 2/3 or more nicotine-base at 18mg/mL.

Will there be any room for flavour?

There will . . . . 20mg will enable you to mix at 12mg using 20% of flavouring and with some of the more potent concentrates requiring a lower ratio, then there is a little leeway to mix at a higher mg strength - although it's not an ideal situation and requires some planning.

The significant difference in costs are another issue . . . . . . .

[Puffing Billy]

May 23, 2016 5:48:49 GMT Perpetua said:

The significant difference in costs are another issue . . . . . . .

If DiscoDes's prediction turns out to be anything like correct then that means nicotine-base will cost £500 per litre (£5/10mL) at 18mg/mL so that's equivalent to £2,000 per litre at the current 72mg/mL.

I don't think "significant" is the word I would use!

Glad I got my supplies in.

[DiscoDes]

May 23, 2016 12:01:09 GMT Puffing Billy said:

May 23, 2016 5:48:49 GMT Perpetua said:

The significant difference in costs are another issue . . . . . . .

If DiscoDes's prediction turns out to be anything like correct then that means nicotine-base will cost £500 per litre (£5/10mL) at 18mg/mL so that's equivalent to £2,000 per litre at the current 72mg/mL.

I don't think "significant" is the word I would use!

Glad I got my supplies in.

ACTUALLY I need to revise this costing, I have seen some indicative prices from vendors now and we are looking at between £1.50 and £2.00 per 10ml 20mg.

Totally Wicked have 10ml bottles on their site for £4.24

Of course you need to add P&P to the above

At least this is better news than I predicted

[Puffing Billy]

May 23, 2016 12:55:25 GMT DiscoDes said:

ACTUALLY I need to revise this costing, I have seen some indicative prices from vendors now and we are looking at between £1.50 and £2.00 per 10ml 20mg.

Totally Wicked have 10ml bottles on their site for £4.24

Of course you need to add P&P to the above

At least this is better news than I predicted

Thanks for that DD.

Assuming they wil retail only at 18mg, it still looks a bit eye-watering at the equivalent of £800 per litre for what we can get at the moment for £50.

As mentioned earlier, what are we going to do with all those 10mL bottles? Ideas on a postcard, please!

[Deleted]

May 23, 2016 13:46:54 GMT Puffing Billy said:

May 23, 2016 12:55:25 GMT DiscoDes said:

ACTUALLY I need to revise this costing, I have seen some indicative prices from vendors now and we are looking at between £1.50 and £2.00 per 10ml 20mg.

Totally Wicked have 10ml bottles on their site for £4.24

Of course you need to add P&P to the above

At least this is better news than I predicted

Thanks for that DD.

Assuming they wil retail only at 18mg, it still looks a bit eye-watering at the equivalent of £800 per litre for what we can get at the moment for £50.

As mentioned earlier, what are we going to do with all those 10mL bottles? Ideas on a postcard, please!

Art installation in protest outside the EU -

[sydsut]

Large raft to float all the EU bureaucrats away on. Preferably the Arctic seas.