|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jul 3, 2019 22:50:42 GMT
I just opened a bottle of nicotine and it smells very much/strong of smoke, its yellow in colour. Bought it pre TPD armageddon. Is this still good to use? Also, where's a good place for nicotine salt? You could try converting some/all to nic salt which, apparently, keeps better anyway.
Add 17g (anhydrous) citric acid to 100ml of 72mg/ml freebase nic. Heat to 90°C for 60 mins, stirring until dissolved. You now have about 110ml of ca. 65mg/ml citrate salt nic.
Mine was really smooth on the throat even at full strength. I have never vaped at anything like 72mg/m of freebase nic before so can't make any comparisons.
Good luck. Hope it works for you too.
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jul 8, 2016 18:50:42 GMT
This seems to be a "How long is a piece of string?" question.
Surely the answer is to add a little at a time until you get the thickness/viscosity you are looking for.
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jul 3, 2016 22:20:18 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 17, 2016 12:30:31 GMT
It's reassuring to hear again that nic can be stored for extended periods by taking simple precautions when decanting. I have no personal experience of storing for longer than about a year and haven't bothered with decanting so far but that's going to have to change now. Thanks for your input.
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 17, 2016 11:32:21 GMT
Well I've just decanted a few litres and I am worried about the oxygen thing. All I can do is live in hope now  The trick, as I see it, with decanting, is to pour slowly down the inside wall of the bottle so you get minimum turbulence and bubbling as the nic being poured out hits the surface of the nic already decanted. If you want to be very particular, you could pre-fill the glass bottle with argon gas before you start to pour. Since the intended storage time is now far greater than in the past, this is something I'm having a look at. Argon costs about £13 per 60 litres (compressed) plus about £10 for the regulator needed to get it out of the cylinder so about £23 for 60 litres if [ you] anyone else thinks it might be worth a go. |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 16, 2016 22:38:15 GMT
Hi BeOne and welcome to the forum.
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 16, 2016 14:59:49 GMT
Ok. I get the proposition that, once decanted, the nic base should be disturbed as little as possible.
For me, the key issue is that, if left in the plastic bottles, there is a likelihood that the nic base will leach out nasties from the plastic materials the bottle is made from. From this standpoint, decanting into glass seems to be a must. But decanting seems like another chance for O2 to be dissolved.
The big unknown is that we don't really know how the nic base is treated by the suppliers. Is it already saturated with O2 by the time we get it delivered to us?
If that's the case, then decanting can't do any more harm and this seems to be Perpetua's experience over a fairly extended period.
On balance, I think I've just talked myself into thinking that the possible dangers of leaving the nic base in plastic for any extended period are far greater than the possible disappointment of the nic being oxidised to the point of going bad.
OK. So glass bottles it is. As it will be in a dark freezer, I'm not too bothered what colour the glass is.
And, yes, we have recently become the proud owners of a garage freezer. I'm sure I couldn't have done it without your input, folks. I thank you!
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 16, 2016 11:56:59 GMT
Now then, about this decanting business . . .
Bearing in mind we seem now to be contemplating storing nicotine base for long enough, so that we can can leave it as a bequest in our wills, the question in my mind is whether the mere act of decanting might introduce more of the dreaded O₂ into our nic base than leaving an air gap at the top of our long-term storage containers.
So my question is - Is decanting into smaller bottles doing more harm than good?
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 16, 2016 11:05:39 GMT
For now I'm pleased my word is sufficient. Since this field of study is so new, under the Zulu Principle, you can probably be regarded as one of the leading authorities on the subject. |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 16, 2016 0:03:34 GMT
I'm like a broken record . . . . but some of my stash has been in the freezer for over 5 years stored in this way, without the benefit of scientific testing it appears as fresh as the day it went in. No need to be apologetic - that's just the kind of reassurance some of us need hear about. |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on Jun 12, 2016 21:30:03 GMT
Signed.
|
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on May 31, 2016 15:23:20 GMT
Potentially yes. Argon is more water soluble than nitrogen and is more expensive but i know that it's used in wine making if the wine is to be stored for a long period of time. It's an inert gas, non-toxic and has the ability to displace oxygen - the reason that it is used in wine making is to stop spoiling on the surface of the wine i believe. As for the question regarding using welding argon then you have to make sure that it is 100% argon. I suspect that it is not because when used as a shielding gas it is mixed with either helium, carbon dioxide, oxygen, hydrogen or numerous other gases depending on the metal to be welded. Thanks -SARIN-. the sort of thing I had in mind is on <eBay> at around the same price as you can get the so-called "wine preserver" cans. I don't expect any definitive answer but your thoughts would be helpful. |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on May 30, 2016 20:31:55 GMT
It's like an episode of the Mad Scientist. Beginners beware for france's sake. Amber glass, argon and CO2. Syringes, weighing and other peeing about. None of that for me. In the freezer, whatever bottle it came in. A measuring cylinder, a bit of guesswork and done in less than five minutes. How really, really interesting! |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on May 30, 2016 11:46:29 GMT
I've been using CO2 - putting the Nic in Belgian beer bottles with oxygen scavenging bottle caps. I brew beer, so just treated it like beer... Using CO₂ is probably just fine for beer but I'm not sure whether the nic-base might absorb it to produce a cheeky little sparkling e-liquid.  |
|
|
|
Post by Puffing Billy on May 30, 2016 11:41:04 GMT
If it's cold and dark (mostly), that will suffice. UV light and heat are the enemy. Artificial light is almost not a problem. Airtight is also a good idea, so argon, being an inert gas, should be fine, but as mentioned, you need to ask a chemist. Knowing our chemist, I'd probably be better off asking a welder.  |
|
