VIP Call to Action: Even more important than the petition

[striker42]

Thanks calnorth, got it now. I will be passing on my story to Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke.

[calnorth]

May 21, 2016 8:36:14 GMT striker42 said:

Thanks calnorth , got it now. I will be passing on my story to Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke.

When you send the message striker42 it won't goto the addressee immediately. Their server system will email you a verification link after some minutes. That'll likely end up in your spam/junk box...a good place for Govt stuff generally in my view. So watch out for that and click the link contained so that it then forwards to an Admin office that then forwards to the destination office....jeeez!

[striker42]

Thanks for your guidance calnorth . OK a few lines to Baroness Liddell. Somebody tell me if it's good to go or if there is anything I should change before I send it :
Dear Lady Liddell of Coatdyke,

I am writing to you on behalf of myself and the estimated 2.8 million vapers in the UK. I'm sure you will be aware that Lord Callanan has proposed a fatal motion on article 20 of the TPD 2016. I would ask that you step forward and give him your support on this important piece of legislation.

 I was a smoker for thirty years until suffering a heart attack in 2011 due to tar from cigarettes completely blocking an artery. There are two reasons I am today able to write this message 1. Thanks to the skill of Dr Mehrdad Malekian, Associate medical director, consultant cardiologist and former chairperson of the board of cardiologists NHS Lanarkshire, who I'm sure you may be familiar with. 2. I stopped smoking and switched to vaping.

 I managed to do so as I had a choice. Under article 20 of the TPD, that freedom of choice will virtually disappear as it will reduce what will be legal under that directive by 96%. We continually hear political voices banging the drum for everybody to lead a healthier life and ease the strain on an already stretched NHS. As vapers, we have listened to those voices for a healthier Britain and chosen a safer alterative to smoking but we now have an EU ruling that will most definitely have a negative impact on health in this country.

 I would respectfully ask that you give this request consideration and offer support to Lord Callanan in his bid to have article 20 of the TPD vetoed. Should you require any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely,

Graham Swan
(HARTHILL)

[Chrissie]

May 20, 2016 20:22:29 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

VIP Call to Action: #LordsVapeVote Writing Campaign

Please write to members of the House of Lords to ask them to support Lord Callanan’s fatal motion. There is a chance that the TPD in the UK could get overturned if enough emails and letters are sent over the next few days.

Details of what to do and how to do it are here:
vapersinpower.wordpress.com/lordsvapevote-writing-campaign/


There are around 806 Peers who may, or may not, support Lord Callanan's fatal motion .... we need to get our message to them, to encourage them to do the right thing!
If you can spare a few minutes, please help contact a few of them; the fatal motion is likely our last chance for common sense to prevail.

Thank you for starting this thread Postmodern Smoking it's saved me starting a similar one

I've added a "Please Read" label to it.

[calnorth]

May 21, 2016 9:42:53 GMT striker42 said:

Thanks for your guidance calnorth . OK a few lines to Baroness Liddell. Somebody tell me if it's good to go or if there is anything I should change before I send it :
Dear Lady Liddell of Coatdyke,

I am writing to you on behalf of myself and the estimated 2.8 million vapers in the UK. I'm sure you will be aware that Lord Callanan has proposed a fatal motion on article 20 of the TPD 2016. I would ask that you step forward and give him your support on this important piece of legislation. I was a smoker for thirty years until suffering a heart attack in 2011 due to tar from cigarettes completely blocking an artery. There are two reasons I am today able to write this message 1. Thanks to the skill of Dr Mehrdad Malekian, Associate medical director, consultant cardiologist and former chairperson of the board of cardiologists NHS Lanarkshire, who I'm sure you may be familiar with. 2. I stopped smoking and switched to vaping. I managed to do so as I had a choice. Under article 20 of the TPD, that freedom of choice will virtually disappear as it will reduce what will be legal under that directive by 96%. We continually hear political voices banging the drum for everybody to lead a healthier life and ease the strain on an already stretched NHS. As vapers, we have listened to those voices for a healthier Britain and chosen a safer alterative to smoking but we now have an EU ruling that will most definitely have a negative impact on health in this country. I would respectfully ask that you give this request consideration and offer support to Lord Callanan in his bid to have article 20 of the TPD vetoed. Should you require any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Yours sincerely,

Graham Swan
(HARTHILL)

That'll work striker42 and quite a story. And if they (Lords - whatever) did not already know of it then... well!

I'd just say split into paragraphs a bit so the poor dear doesn't drop off part way thru?

[striker42]

Check reply #17 calnorth, better now ?

[blaze]

May 20, 2016 23:55:00 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

May 20, 2016 23:47:33 GMT blaze said:

From the email, I think the 6 thing is real people for the emails that don't go directly from the site. I've got 2 more to go

I don't understand what you've written. You've sent to 6 (previous post), but say 2 more to go. 

Are you saying that you can't send more tomorrow or think not? (We don't want a load of emails in their spam folder!)

Sorry - it was very late lol!

I mean when I sent them, the theyworkforyou site sent 2 to a direct email address and 4 to the central office thing (the one that means you get the message about the 6 emails), so I've sent 6 but only used up 4 of my more-than-6-is-spam.

[calnorth]

May 21, 2016 10:13:33 GMT striker42 said:

Check reply #17 calnorth , better now ?

edited No 17 rather spot on I'd say striker42

The message is very clear...and where death arises particularly due to smoking they are all culpable! The risk severity falls from pretty much catastrophic to almost minor because of vaping. Children...they need supervision and as far as I can see so do much of youth today.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Pinched from DiscoDes 's thread

May 21, 2016 12:45:42 GMT DiscoDes said:

When writing DaveDorn suggests, telling them your story, (e.g. what e-cigs have done for you and how you came off /reduced your smoking), how the TPD will affect you (e.g. do you normally buy more than 10ml bottles and why, use larger >2ml refillable tanks and why, if have you ever used more than 20mg/ml, etc.) and respectfully asking for their support in voting for Lord Callanan's fatal motion.

[sydsut]

I would suggest that in writing to whoever you mention that a small child could easily choke on the 10ml bottles but as the size increases it would be almost impossible and that the vendors you use, whichever size bottle, have long since been providing child proof caps.

[nanotm]

this is what I am thinking of sending to a couple of local members of the house of lords

Sir,

I am writing to ask you to support Lord Callanan’s fatal motion on the TPD,

I started regular smoking as a teenager in the early 90’s, I gradually increased the rate at which I smoked until I reached 2 packs a day I tried several times to quit smoking from 1999 to 2015 utilising every available option but I was unsuccessful at staying off tobacco, sometimes I managed to stay off for a few weeks but pretty much always returned to smoking within a few weeks of stopping.
In august of 2015 my wife gave me an e-cig kit with some 3mg e-liquid after seeing an advert on the TV and visiting a website, which whilst I was able to use that to reduce my smoking I was not at that point able to quit with it.

I looked around on the internet and found a forum through a banner advert in my browser which I clicked on and subsequently joined.
There I was given some good advice with respect to the amount of nicotine I required, not totally sure I needed such a high strength liquid I bought a range of strengths, 24mg, 18mg, 12mg, 9mg, 6mg, I also grabbed a few CE4 disposable tank units that were compatible with my ego battery device on advice from members of the forum.

Once they arrived the next day I put some of each liquid in a different tank with a sticky label to tell me what was what, I started at the lowest strength one and still found myself craving a cigarette just as I had been with the 3mg liquid until I reached the 24mg tank, by the ned of the day I still had half a tank and hadn’t had a cigarette since opening the post mid-morning, I went back on the website and purchased a 30ml bottle and that lasted me for a few weeks.

At this point my total spending had been about equal with a couple of days’ worth of cigarettes, as the 30ml bottle was nearing empty I went back online to order more at that time there was a postal strike on and unfortunately it didn’t arrive for several days, having been totally cigarette free for more than 3 weeks and liking the fact I could now taste things and didn’t stink of fags I decided to use the 18mg juice and hope it was enough rather than dip into the half pack of fags that was still on my desk untouched, fortunately it kept the cravings away and so I placed another order for some more lower strength e-liquid in a different flavour, and have since bought many more bottles and barely any of them were below the 30ml size, many were larger and they all come with child proof caps.

In the months since then I have bought better hardware and remained tobacco free, I have gradually reduced the nicotine levels down to 3mg, and whilst I no longer have cravings to use my e-cig like I did to start with I do enjoy vaping and have no intention of stopping at this point in time, but then again having just failed yet another quit attempt when I began vaping I had no intention of stopping smoking at that point in time either.

Now I’m sure that your wondering why I bought everything online and got all my info online, unfortunately I am one of many ex-service members who suffers from spinal problems and finds it difficult to get out and about so for me it’s a lot easier to stay at home and use the internet, had it not been so simple to get information and products online through clicking adverts in those early days of me becoming a vaper I would likely never have gotten to the point I’m at now, I tried to quit smoking after being medically discharged from the Army 4 times each time was with the aid of the local stop smoking service and each time I restarted smoking within 2 weeks as I found the stop smoking aids were either not fixing my craving or causing me blinding headaches, I never had those downsides with e-cigs and I also didn’t have the help of the professional services, however for the first time my lung function tests found a massive improvement at my last medical check-up, I no longer wheeze constantly and I feel a lot healthier despite my ailments.

My story is not remarkable for those that found their way to using e-cigs in the pre TPD era but it will be impossible to achieve for anyone in the post TPD era with limitations of 20mg/ml nicotine strength, instead of having bottles in 30ml or larger sizes that I normally buy I won’t be able to get anything larger than 10ml greatly increasing the amount of waste generated not to mention the choking hazard such small bottles represent for children and pets
For the sake of others who will find themselves in the situation I did I implore you to support the fatal motion and get rid of this wholly inappropriate legislation.

Regards

please feel free to suggest any changes before I do

[Perpetua]

May 21, 2016 17:17:49 GMT nanotm said:

this is what I am thinking of sending to a couple of local members of the house of lords

Sir,

I am writing to ask you to support Lord Callanan’s fatal motion on the TPD,

I started regular smoking as a teenager in the early 90’s, I gradually increased the rate at which I smoked until I reached 2 packs a day I tried several times to quit smoking from 1999 to 2015 utilising every available option but I was unsuccessful at staying off tobacco, sometimes I managed to stay off for a few weeks but pretty much always returned to smoking within a few weeks of stopping.
In august of 2015 my wife gave me an e-cig kit with some 3mg e-liquid after seeing an advert on the TV and visiting a website, which whilst I was able to use that to reduce my smoking I was not at that point able to quit with it.

I looked around on the internet and found a forum through a banner advert in my browser which I clicked on and subsequently joined.
There I was given some good advice with respect to the amount of nicotine I required, not totally sure I needed such a high strength liquid I bought a range of strengths, 24mg, 18mg, 12mg, 9mg, 6mg, I also grabbed a few CE4 disposable tank units that were compatible with my ego battery device on advice from members of the forum.

Once they arrived the next day I put some of each liquid in a different tank with a sticky label to tell me what was what, I started at the lowest strength one and still found myself craving a cigarette just as I had been with the 3mg liquid until I reached the 24mg tank, by the ned of the day I still had half a tank and hadn’t had a cigarette since opening the post mid-morning, I went back on the website and purchased a 30ml bottle and that lasted me for a few weeks.

At this point my total spending had been about equal with a couple of days’ worth of cigarettes, as the 30ml bottle was nearing empty I went back online to order more at that time there was a postal strike on and unfortunately it didn’t arrive for several days, having been totally cigarette free for more than 3 weeks and liking the fact I could now taste things and didn’t stink of fags I decided to use the 18mg juice and hope it was enough rather than dip into the half pack of fags that was still on my desk untouched, fortunately it kept the cravings away and so I placed another order for some more lower strength e-liquid in a different flavour, and have since bought many more bottles and barely any of them were below the 30ml size, many were larger and they all come with child proof caps.

In the months since then I have bought better hardware and remained tobacco free, I have gradually reduced the nicotine levels down to 3mg, and whilst I no longer have cravings to use my e-cig like I did to start with I do enjoy vaping and have no intention of stopping at this point in time, but then again having just failed yet another quit attempt when I began vaping I had no intention of stopping smoking at that point in time either.

Now I’m sure that your wondering why I bought everything online and got all my info online, unfortunately I am one of many ex-service members who suffers from spinal problems and finds it difficult to get out and about so for me it’s a lot easier to stay at home and use the internet, had it not been so simple to get information and products online through clicking adverts in those early days of me becoming a vaper I would likely never have gotten to the point I’m at now, I tried to quit smoking after being medically discharged from the Army 4 times each time was with the aid of the local stop smoking service and each time I restarted smoking within 2 weeks as I found the stop smoking aids were either not fixing my craving or causing me blinding headaches, I never had those downsides with e-cigs and I also didn’t have the help of the professional services, however for the first time my lung function tests found a massive improvement at my last medical check-up, I no longer wheeze constantly and I feel a lot healthier despite my ailments.

My story is not remarkable for those that found their way to using e-cigs in the pre TPD era but it will be impossible to achieve for anyone in the post TPD era with limitations of 20mg/ml nicotine strength, instead of having bottles in 30ml or larger sizes that I normally buy I won’t be able to get anything larger than 10ml greatly increasing the amount of waste generated not to mention the choking hazard such small bottles represent for children and pets
For the sake of others who will find themselves in the situation I did I implore you to support the fatal motion and get rid of this wholly inappropriate legislation.

Regards

please feel free to suggest any changes before I do

Cut it down by at least 50% . . . . . short, sharp and punchy rather than in depth personal opinion and flim flam are far more likely to catch attention and be memorable to a non smoking or vaping person.

I lost the will after the first paragraph .  . . . .

[calnorth]

I suppose if they have any interests in BAT they won't bother. Plus anything else VI related. Over 800 of them in the HoL....

[blaze]

May 21, 2016 17:31:24 GMT Perpetua said:

May 21, 2016 17:17:49 GMT nanotm said:

this is what I am thinking of sending to a couple of local members of the house of lords please feel free to suggest any changes before I do

Cut it down by at least 50% . . . . . short, sharp and punchy rather than in depth personal opinion and flim flam are far more likely to catch attention and be memorable to a non smoking or vaping person.

I lost the will after the first paragraph .  . . . .

I loved the detail lol! I say send it as is

[Postmodern Smoking]

I finally got around to drafting a letter to be sent to some Lords/Ladies myself.... I'll send over the weekend.
Surprisingly it was quite 'fun' doing, although tbh the first time that I have written to a Peer and I don't find this sort of thing easy! Instructions HERE

Drafted in Word, I'll copy and paste it into the emails.


If I can do it.... surely you can too?! Don't just rely on others, the TPD will affect us all, including those who haven't found vaping yet. The more support we get the higher the chance of success.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get writing !