Claptons and their siblings

[mikedidthis]

Before I begin I 100% understand that the answer to this question (and all things vaping) is subjective, I am looking for others experiences and opinions.

My favourite build at the moment is 22/23AWG Kanthal / 8 wraps / 3mm ID. Single comes in around 0.5ohm and dual comes in around 0.25ohm. I run the single at 15-30w and the dual at 30-60w. I figured if I am building that low for dual coils I would take a stab at building one of the more fancier coils. 

Today's fancy coil is a fused clapton. 2 x 26AWG Kanthal + 32AWG Kanthal / 6 wraps / 3mm ID. I ran this build around 45w-55w. I understand the point, in theory, of these kind of coils. More nooks and crannies for juice to sit. More surface area for juice to be vapourised. Less strain on your wicking if the coil can hold more juice etc.

However, apart from the ramp up delay, I am struggling to see or taste a huge advantage.

So over to you lot! What is your experience? What is your go to build? What are Saturdays winning Lotto numbers?

[striker42]

In my experience mikedidthis, claptons, tiger coils, twisted this, fused that, twin parallel the next thing ain't for me. I've never gained any advantage in flavour or vapour (which doesn't bother me) over a plain old kanthal coil. IMO, the poor reward just isn't worth the effort with some of them fancy builds.

[pacman]

nothing spectacular is my opinion off most of these mega builds.Really don't get it as i get the best flavours from most of my tanks with 15-25 watts so you know what sort of builds I generally do.The main exception is when I recoil my crown tanks 35-40 watts gives me the best flavour.And the numbers are between 1 and a billion

[Get Off My Cloud]

Bit of a warmer vape with claptons once that get up to temperature and for want of a better description a little more moist of a vape, nothing dramatic though.
Don't use them all that often though, most of the time it's either straight 22 gauge wire or twisted 24.

The benefits aren't really worth the effort to me and i certainly can't bothered making them very often any more, i have a bunch of different premade ones in the old vape box i dig out when i fancy it.

[VapingBad]

I only (95% of the time) vape in temp mode on DNAs as I have no patience for slow ramp up and Claptons are good with temp controlled preheat, but with Ni & Ti Claptons can get all sorts of hot spots making them really hit an miss, whereas twisted you just need solid terminals and it's trouble free. Though twisting makes your wire more springy and Claptons are nicer to coil twisted wins for me: great vape, much easier make and easier to clean.

[Grandad]

Ive tried claptons and all the fancy coils and always go back to the good old fashioned single wire kanthal or SS 316L, normaly if im using SS316L i will do a spaced coil seems to give me a little more vapor production and a more of a cleaner taste, plus you can use it in temp control if you wish.

Did have a go at making my own claptons once but patience is not my strong point.

For work i use a subtank mini with 5 spaced wraps SS316L 2.5 id comes out .5 roughly good for me

[solac77]

Well the reason I got the pico and have only just got round to TC with ss...bit of a learning curve but I think I'm getting a cleaner smoother vape .47 @40watts @140c seems quite good to me at the mo....although the batteries have taken a fair beating this weekend

[decoy]

I'm sorry but I love claptons
it might be because I make my own so am not stuck with prebuilt ones
for mouth to lung low power/low ramp time try using 0.2 or less as you core and youll see a big diff on a 1.5 ohm coil
big ass fused claptons are tricky to power right because of the ramp up but huge power short drags seem to work rather well

by far my fave setup for cloudage on a 18650 mech is duel coil setup using 0.5 kanth core and 0.2 kanth as the wrap 5 wraps at about 3mm to come out at 0.2 ohms(vt4)
on the rx200 the vmct rules, duel fused claptons using same wire as above and ive had it as high as 150watts without a hint of a dry hit

I'm not sayin they best thing since sliced bread and it do take a lot of faffing about to find the ones you like but for me it was worth the faff
the core sets the resistance and the thickness of the wrap the ramp up time
so get a batt powered drill and some wire(a lot of wire lol) and have a play

just to add the Clapton coil for the isub was pants
I rebuilt it and modded it so it worked well (rem to unwind the wrap were it passes throw the rubber insulator or it will rip)it now wicks as high as 60 watts and is a lush vape

ive used claptons in mini foggers (16.5mm tank)and have had a fused Clapton in the mini kayfun and will prob try to use them in any tank I get



and I blame enjay

[SteveF]

Jul 24, 2016 20:05:46 GMT mikedidthis said:

Before I begin I 100% understand that the answer to this question (and all things vaping) is subjective, I am looking for others experiences and opinions.

My favourite build at the moment is 22/23AWG Kanthal / 8 wraps / 3mm ID. Single comes in around 0.5ohm and dual comes in around 0.25ohm. I run the single at 15-30w and the dual at 30-60w. I figured if I am building that low for dual coils I would take a stab at building one of the more fancier coils. 

Today's fancy coil is a fused clapton. 2 x 26AWG Kanthal + 32AWG Kanthal / 6 wraps / 3mm ID. I ran this build around 45w-55w. I understand the point, in theory, of these kind of coils. More nooks and crannies for juice to sit. More surface area for juice to be vapourised. Less strain on your wicking if the coil can hold more juice etc.

However, apart from the ramp up delay, I am struggling to see or taste a huge advantage.

So over to you lot! What is your experience? What is your go to build? What are Saturdays winning Lotto numbers?

I can let you in on last week's winning numbers?

subjective answer..



you're going to suffer from ramp-up with what are essentially fairly heavy coils.  I a run single 26g/32g 0.23 ohm fused nichrome claptrap at 50w in my Aeronaut. 




With the slower ramp up of kanthal, you're looking at 100-120w to get minimal delay. And then to some extent it would depend on the power delivery of the mod.

Cures?  Of course more power  grr! grr!

nichrome or stainless core for a faster ramp up

less coil or thinner core.

[enjay]

Jul 24, 2016 21:51:04 GMT striker42 said:

In my experience mikedidthis , claptons, tiger coils, twisted this, fused that, twin parallel the next thing ain't for me. I've never gained any advantage in flavour or vapour (which doesn't bother me) over a plain old kanthal coil. IMO, the poor reward just isn't worth the effort with some of them fancy builds.

You're still on kanthal!!!

Seriously though, flavour is WAY more with nichrome and can be better with claptons, it's all about that extra surface area and also they tend to soak up even more juice into the coils themselves which really helps.

I use fused claptons exclusively in the vcmt's

[striker42]

Jul 26, 2016 3:22:51 GMT enjay said:

Jul 24, 2016 21:51:04 GMT striker42 said:

In my experience mikedidthis , claptons, tiger coils, twisted this, fused that, twin parallel the next thing ain't for me. I've never gained any advantage in flavour or vapour (which doesn't bother me) over a plain old kanthal coil. IMO, the poor reward just isn't worth the effort with some of them fancy builds.

You're still on kanthal!!!

Seriously though, flavour is WAY more with nichrome and can be better with claptons, it's all about that extra surface area and also they tend to soak up even more juice into the coils themselves which really helps.

I use fused claptons exclusively in the vcmt's

Each to their own enjay. Personally I don't need to stick something like fence wire in my tank to get a satisfying vape. So I'll just stick to 0.4-0.5mm Kanthal and continue faff free vaping.

[xs2man]

I also use fused claptons as much as I can. Built with nichrome though, as I find the ramp up time vs Kanthal is very much reduced.

Currently running a dual fued nichrome clapton in my CLT, 6 wraps around 2.5mm, 0.2mm wrapped around 2x 0.37mm. Coming out at 0.21 Ohm, and vaping at a subtle 75w. Flavour is great.

Sometimes I am lazy though, and twisted works well there.

[mikedidthis]

Thanks for all the input folks, really appreciate it.

Based on the comments I built a staggered fused clapton. 2 x 26AWG Kanthal + 32AWG Stainless Steel fused with 32AWG Stainless Steel. Ramp up time has almost disappeared and so far the vape is superb.

[monty]

Another one here who has given Claptons a try and not noticed any difference, I reckon the great flavor these coils reportedly give is self deception,

[enjay]

Jul 26, 2016 5:59:54 GMT striker42 said:

Jul 26, 2016 3:22:51 GMT enjay said:

You're still on kanthal!!!

Seriously though, flavour is WAY more with nichrome and can be better with claptons, it's all about that extra surface area and also they tend to soak up even more juice into the coils themselves which really helps.

I use fused claptons exclusively in the vcmt's

Each to their own enjay . Personally I don't need to stick something like fence wire in my tank to get a satisfying vape. So I'll just stick to 0.4-0.5mm Kanthal and continue faff free vaping.

Didn't say anything about fencewire, I use 26G and 36G for the fused claptons and 26G in the kfl+, just get better flavour.