Too many suppliers? Discuss...

[lazydog]

Apr 28, 2012 21:32:04 GMT Gordy said:

Apr 28, 2012 21:27:45 GMT hissie said:

& more chance the goverment & pharmaceutical companies will get a whiff of how much money there is to be made from the sale of e-cigs.

the bigger the industry and user base the less chance of the government banning vaping products

The goverbent do as they like there are a lot of vendors of a certain green herb dont make no difference to the powers that be they are ruled by big corporations and if they say jump the goverbent say how high.
Just my opinion

[maccafan]

There can never be too many suppliers..Competition is good for the end users..

It does leave new entrants a tad confused though with a number of companies making false claims..

Apr 28, 2012 21:43:03 GMT CAM-VIP said:

The main frustration CAM-VIP has (and Rusty had) is the unwillingness of vaping enthusiasts to 'spread the word' about ecigs.

Russell

Why do you feel that?

[hissie]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, which is why I started this thread.

Cam..I wouldn't be happy with a cig look-a-like or be restricted to what e-juice I vape.

I have to admit I find the taste of pre-filled cartos disgusting & I can't see them tasting any better if the goverment has it's way.

RE: nicotine strength, we are already told what alcohol strength we can drink in this country & the nicotine in cigarettes is much lower here than Europe & America.

I really don't relish also being told what strength e-juice I vape.

[Bluefish]

Apr 28, 2012 21:54:24 GMT maccafan said:

There can never be too many suppliers..Competition is good for the end users..

It does leave new entrants a tad confused though with a number of companies making false claims..

Apr 28, 2012 21:43:03 GMT CAM-VIP said:

The main frustration CAM-VIP has (and Rusty had) is the unwillingness of vaping enthusiasts to 'spread the word' about ecigs.

Russell

Why do you feel that?

Yeah cos I would say the exact opposite is true?

[CAM-VIP]

Maccafan, it is to do with the 'major vaping' events or meet-ups that have been organised in the last 2 years. I have been to most and on NO occasion have the organisers managed (or wanted to) get any local or national media coverage.

In comparison, everytime Mr Cropper and TW organise an event, the local press and TV are always their and often national TV take it up - like the 'Bluebell' at Driffield launch as a TW vaping pub - we ended up on 'Daybreak'!!

It is something for people to think about - why do we want to keep this to ourselves? What will that achieve?

Russell

[hissie]

I disagree that the vaping community don't spread the word. You only have to look at how many people have joined this forum, even since I joined 2 yrs ago.

The word is getting spread, it's down to the individual whether they choose to vape or carry on smoking.

[CAM-VIP]

The vendors are spreading the word about ecigs - classic examples being e-lites and 10 motives. The majority of the uptake is through vendors (especially the ones that enthusiasts wouldn't recommend) spending a fortune on advertising in the national press and gettin geezers like Dr Hilary Jones to place their product on national TV.

Because we are enthusiasts, does not mean that we have anything but minimal power (on our own) in spreading the word without media coverage of our 'events'. The majority of credit for the explosion of vaping goes to the lookie-likey vendors and the MONEY they spend on getting the word out there.

Russell

[Gordy]

yeah disagree too ...word of mouth and person by person is just as effective at getting vaping noticed and spread than a 2 minute clip on telly from an event.

In fact i think forums like this one is by far the best way to assist anyone wanting to vape... a clip on telly is all great but where do they go then to find out about e-cigs? quite often google and find over priced cig-e-likes ...we could certainly do with less of those type of vendors

[maccafan]

I don't think there is any desire to keep it for ourselves.. I am sure most if not all vapers would be happy to spread the word..The media seems to be more interested in sensationalism thanks to the voyeuristic tendencies of a large number of news consumers...

However, e-cigs are coming to the fore and get a mention in many mainline TV channels. I don't know if e-cig advertising in TV or radio is banned or is a subject not explored..But you do see offers in many newspapers..

As regards events I cannot comment as I am relatively new to vaping and have never attended an event to understand the scale, fnding or logistics that goes organising these meet ups..

But you never hear in the news about photographers meet, trainspotter or planespotter meet ups either even though these communities are quite large...Vaping for now is thought of as a hobby, I guess? But in time it will be recognised for what it is, that I am sure of.

[hissie]

Being a vendor cam does make you bias.

I was looking for a discussion based around the customers opinions as opposed to vendors or suppliers opinions.

Obviously all input is welcome

[maccafan]

I don't think Cam is a vendor Hissie..

[bel]

I think the more the merrier for us as customers Hisse. So much more choice and the prices are kept low

[hissie]

Apr 28, 2012 22:15:42 GMT maccafan said:

I don't think Cam is a vendor Hissie..

Ah right.....erm my honest mistake

[hissie]

Apr 28, 2012 22:18:48 GMT bel said:

I think the more the merrier for us as customers Hisse. So much more choice and the prices are kept low

I think the majority of vendors keep prices low. I would say TW & TECC are the exceptions.

[CAM-VIP]

I disagree Gordy. The number of members of this forum, UKVapers, ECR etc all added together is a tiny percentage of the number of vapers in the UK. Most did not use the internet to search for ecigs to 'discover' ecigs - they were drawn in by ads from vendors or their products being seen in on other internet sites when they were looking for something else (ebuyer/ebay/amazon etc).

I'm not trying to be controversial here, but I am trying to put in perspective how much impact vaping enthusiasts like ourselves actually have in getting smokers to give ecigs a go - it is minimal, compared to what the impact the lookie-likey vendors and their cash have.

Russell

PS I've spent hundreds of hours and pounds trying to make an impact via CAM-VIP over the last 2 years and our efficacy is negligible in the big scheme of things