We are now in UK TPD times.

[Greg]

Seems there a bit of irrationality around

Here's the reality, give it time

www.dnavapes.com/collections/sub-ohm-tanks/products/aspire-atlantis-evo-tank

I wonder how long before you can buy the bigger coils and Pyrex tanks as separate items.

[smokingaces]

May 20, 2017 9:03:33 GMT striker42 said:

The juice sucking tanks you allude to smokingaces , may well be part of the innovation and creation that TJ pointed out in her post. So to a greater extent they are trying to suppress, stifle it and take us back in time.
Not being able to get the required 100,000 votes was poor, but on the other hand would it have made any difference, I think not. There was a fair weight of evidence presented from the medical and scientific establishments when all this was going through, it was their CHOICE to ignore it. On this occasion, as with many others it's not the evidence that makes up minds in the Lords, it's the power of the pound. When you have stink of piss coffin dodgers deciding whats best for you, it's not a democratic country you live in, it's a dictatorship.

maybe striker but these cloud chucking tanks which maybe innovation,have what has become part of the vaping problem. Non vapers look at us & wonder why we have too make huge clouds to give up smoking. You walk round shopping centre or sit a coffee bar and you can guarantee there be someone there chucking clouds, as a vapes I even find this deluded.
So have we really progressed in vaping? yes the liquids/flavours are amazing the mods have good battery life but if your a smoker & want too give up smoking then how the hell having a 5ml with 8 coils in it at 120 watts going too help apart from make huge clouds that will piss people off. This was also nothing to with the house of Lords it was a E.U directive. Sure it will cause a few problems but as we get use too the new laws, and as a community we will find ways round things then all in all its not that bad. Look at some of the states in Australia then you will know see its not that bad.

[smokingaces]

TPD ready guys

[striker42]

May 20, 2017 15:24:11 GMT smokingaces said:

May 20, 2017 9:03:33 GMT striker42 said:

The juice sucking tanks you allude to smokingaces , may well be part of the innovation and creation that TJ pointed out in her post. So to a greater extent they are trying to suppress, stifle it and take us back in time.
Not being able to get the required 100,000 votes was poor, but on the other hand would it have made any difference, I think not. There was a fair weight of evidence presented from the medical and scientific establishments when all this was going through, it was their CHOICE to ignore it. On this occasion, as with many others it's not the evidence that makes up minds in the Lords, it's the power of the pound. When you have stink of piss coffin dodgers deciding whats best for you, it's not a democratic country you live in, it's a dictatorship.

maybe striker but these cloud chucking tanks which maybe innovation,have what has become part of the vaping problem. Non vapers look at us & wonder why we have too make huge clouds to give up smoking. You walk round shopping centre or sit a coffee bar and you can guarantee there be someone there chucking clouds, as a vapes I even find this deluded.
So have we really progressed in vaping? yes the liquids/flavours are amazing the mods have good battery life but if your a smoker & want too give up smoking then how the hell having a 5ml with 8 coils in it at 120 watts going too help apart from make huge clouds that will piss people off. This was also nothing to with the house of Lords it was a E.U directive. Sure it will cause a few problems but as we get use too the new laws, and as a community we will find ways round things then all in all its not that bad. Look at some of the states in Australia then you will know see its not that bad.

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/63497/call-action-more-important-petition?page=1&scrollTo=1094986
Nothing to do with the house of Lords ? ? ? Really ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Our so called Lords could have done something about it, they chose not to. Martin Calanan was set to table a fatal motion, which raised our hopes. What happened ? He bottled it at the 11th hour. The reason ? Who knows, but at a guess, he didn't want to go out on a limb and get shunned by the establishment which offers him such rich pickings. 

[smokingaces]

May 20, 2017 16:42:25 GMT striker42 said:

May 20, 2017 15:24:11 GMT smokingaces said:

maybe striker but these cloud chucking tanks which maybe innovation,have what has become part of the vaping problem. Non vapers look at us & wonder why we have too make huge clouds to give up smoking. You walk round shopping centre or sit a coffee bar and you can guarantee there be someone there chucking clouds, as a vapes I even find this deluded.
So have we really progressed in vaping? yes the liquids/flavours are amazing the mods have good battery life but if your a smoker & want too give up smoking then how the hell having a 5ml with 8 coils in it at 120 watts going too help apart from make huge clouds that will piss people off. This was also nothing to with the house of Lords it was a E.U directive. Sure it will cause a few problems but as we get use too the new laws, and as a community we will find ways round things then all in all its not that bad. Look at some of the states in Australia then you will know see its not that bad.

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/63497/call-action-more-important-petition?page=1&scrollTo=1094986
Nothing to do with the house of Lords ? ? ? Really ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Our so called Lords could have done something about it, they chose not to. Martin Calanan was set to table a fatal motion, which raised our hopes. What happened ? He bottled it at the 11th hour. The reason ? Who knows, but at a guess, he didn't want to go out on a limb and get shunned by the establishment which offers him such rich pickings. 

Striker your wrong the house of the Lords could not supersede the TPD directive from the EU, that a fact, but if you believe everything you read in a forum then go for it, like I said the vape community could not even get a 100000 signature on a petition. TPD here whether we like it or not that is a fact by the way, unlike your interpretation of what the house of Lords could do to override the E.U directive. 

[striker42]

I'm TPD compliant too. It's just my camera makes the bottle look bigger than 10ml.

[gill2009]

May 20, 2017 17:48:21 GMT striker42 said:

I'm TPD compliant too. It's just my camera makes the bottle look bigger than 10ml.

                      ...Graham...not that baby vomit 

[fisher]

I am now worried I broke the law today as I made up 2x500ml bottles of juice, I also used 3% of nicotine which was 7.2%.
Actually, I am wondering whether to start a business up so I can obtain the 7.2  nic, maybe I pay myself to cut the grass and become a gardening service

[jtc]

Well I see Darkstar now gives the option to register with a business account. So if say my mate has a business registration number then he can buy nic for me by the looks of it. Am I missing something or is it really that easy?

[Perpetua]

I felt a touch of regret yesterday . . . . . who wouldn't when you consider why our habit came about in the very first instance - which was to provide smokers with a healthier, more socially acceptable means of obtaining a nicotine fix, that actually works.

To an extent subohming has made vaping less socially acceptable, which is a shame when users feel they have a god given right to waft great clouds of vapour over the public at large - making them no better than an inconsiderate smoker in my humble opinion and as much as I enjoy that style of vaping myself.

However, I do believe that some form of legislation was always going to happen if not EU driven then from elsewhere, to think that it wouldn't at some stage was never a realistic aspiration.
 
Because ecigs/vaping are so successful, a truly viable alternative . . . . . they are a threat. Although cigarette smokers haven't fared so well under the TPD either let's not forget.

All that said, I'm very much a glass half full rather than empty type of person as much as I don't care for the legislation, we could have had far more punitive measures imposed on us as has happen in other major countries around the world. And they manage.

What's done is done and we have to make the best of the current situation as have many well known Vendors, investing large sums of money to be TPD compliant. Clearly they feel there is a future and so should we.

Workarounds will happen . . . . one significant one already has.

www.nicotine72mg.co.uk/products

Slightly more in price than previously, but by no means overly expensive compared to the prices many of us paid when Nicotine Base first became available.

Happy Vaping to all of us . . . . . and to those who have yet to discover our wonderful habit.

[Greg]

May 21, 2017 6:06:05 GMT Perpetua said:

I felt a touch of regret yesterday . . . . . who wouldn't when you consider why our habit came about in the very first instance - which was to provide smokers with a healthier, more socially acceptable means of obtaining a nicotine fix, that actually works.

To an extent subohming has made vaping less socially acceptable, which is a shame when users feel they have a god given right to waft great clouds of vapour over the public at large - making them no better than an inconsiderate smoker in my humble opinion and as much as I enjoy that style of vaping myself.

However, I do believe that some form of legislation was always going to happen if not EU driven then from elsewhere, to think that it wouldn't at some stage was never a realistic aspiration.
 
Because ecigs/vaping are so successful, a truly viable alternative . . . . . they are a threat. Although cigarette smokers haven't fared so well under the TPD either let's not forget.

All that said, I'm very much a glass half full rather than empty type of person as much as I don't care for the legislation, we could have had far more punitive measures imposed on us as has happen in other major countries around the world. And they manage.

What's done is done and we have to make the best of the current situation as have many well known Vendors, investing large sums of money to be TPD compliant, Clearly they feel there is a future and so should we.

Workarounds will happen . . . . one significant one already has.

www.nicotine72mg.co.uk/products

Slightly more in price than previously, but by no means overly expensive compared to the prices many of us paid when Nicotine Base first became available.

Happy Vaping to all of us . . . . . and to those who have yet to discover our wonderful habit.

That's the spirit Madge 

[minime]

I'm at the e cig shop warehouse today so I will find out about that and what the criteria is for buying it.

[thebishman]

May 20, 2017 22:04:05 GMT jtc said:

Well I see Darkstar now gives the option to register with a business account. So if say my mate has a business registration number then he can buy nic for me by the looks of it. Am I missing something or is it really that easy?

I like this!

[jtc]

May 21, 2017 7:26:04 GMT thebishman said:

May 20, 2017 22:04:05 GMT jtc said:

Well I see Darkstar now gives the option to register with a business account. So if say my mate has a business registration number then he can buy nic for me by the looks of it. Am I missing something or is it really that easy?

I like this!

Yes well I know a few people who run their own business although it ain't vaping related. If all we need is a business registration number then happy days and all is well

[minime]

Last time I asked a vendor about this buying nic b2b I didn't meet the criteria even tho I'm still registered as self employed and still do a tax return every year and hold a poison licence ( landscaping business) I'm a sleeping partner in a landscaping / building business.