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Post by AnnaLaw on Apr 23, 2013 10:58:42 GMT
This is a personal review of a product I either bought or received free of charge. The opinions expressed here represent my own.
This is a review of three new Ace Vapers organic flavoured eliquids, all 18 mg stength, currently £4.48 for 10 ml. They all give good vapour production and are smooth, which suits me fine. Personally I keep power down as I don't go for a big throat hit.
Blueberry Pankake
70/30 PG/VG
As with all of the Ace Vapers eliquids I've had, this is a smooth, subtle flavour. It smells of blueberry.
On an ego the main flavour is blueberry, to me it has a slightly creamy taste.
On a vamo set to 6 watts the pancake comes through, tastes just like eating a blueberry pancake.
This is a good evening vape for me, although if I'm in the mood its an all-day vape. I think the balance between blueberry and pancake is spot on, perfectly balanced.
I've tested this with a standard 510 dripping atty and with the phoenix clone from the Ace Vapers.
Pecan Praline
70/30 PG/VG
I can't say much about this other than it's a nut lovers paradise. Smooth, nutty, and you can easily taste the pecan nuts, just right, a perfect balance for me. I'm not a great nut fan but I really like this one, good enough to eat.
This is just what it says on the tin. Which means that as it uses organic flavour, not to be used by anyone with a nut allergy. I thought I should put that bit in.
Tasted using a standard ego battery and 510 bridgeless atty and an iGo-L on a Vamo at 5.5 watts.
It smells of nuts, it tastes of nuts, as I said, nutty, just like it says on the tin.
Peach Tobacco
50/50 PG/VG
This is the most interesting of the new flavours for me.
I first dripped using a Bauway when it was young, then it was a rich, juicy peach. After steeping for the recommended time I tried it in a clearo. Then the main flavour was steeped tobacco with a touch of peach. Now, after a good steeping and vaping with the Ace Vapers Phoenix-style dripper and a Clockworks RDA, it has mostly a quality steeped tobacco with a touch of peach on the inhale, peach with tobacco undertones on the exhale. This is a luxury juice for me, perfect for vaping on a summer day. But I've not found any of these juices that aren't special, way above the rest. I think that's because of the organic flavours, so much tastier than artificial ones. They really do taste of exactly what they say.
Tested on standard ego with Bauway and Phoenix, and on a Vamo at 6 watts with the Clockworks. I give this 10/10.
Sniffing the bottle before tasting, this one smells peachy.
Steeped Tobacco
50/50 PG/VG
I don't like artificial tobacco flsavours but thought I'd try this as I'm sure I could taste steeped tobacco in AV4 and wanted to find out what this was like.
As all Ace Vapers juices need steeping and all of these came with advice to steep for two weeks, I left this longer as I found that steeped tobacco does take longer than most to reach full flavour.
This is a mild steeped tobacco, I could compare it favourably with the famous Virginia steeped, and what can I say? I like a pure mild steeped tobacco and this is one of the best. I think I detect a slight nutty note but that may just be my taste buds.
After tasting with a dripper on an ego battery and a Lavatube I filled a tank with it, set to 4 v, and it became my all day vape until I wanted a change.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Apr 11, 2013 15:16:03 GMT
AnnaLaw can you let us know which MEP this is please? The conservative one, who is taking lead from Martin Callanan.
Cheers SE MEP Nirj Deva. He's takung the lead from Martin Callanan. Since that letter was sent the standard letters seem to have changed a little (apart from Labour form letters). The Conservative ones seem to show a tiny bit more awareness. |
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Post by AnnaLaw on Apr 11, 2013 15:10:33 GMT
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Post by AnnaLaw on Apr 2, 2013 18:02:12 GMT
I think that nobody went from ECCA was because the UK vaping community doesn't support its own consumer association. When I joined a few months ago there were only 500 members and that was a while after the TPD announcement.
ECCA can't send people anywhere without money and relies on donations from us.
I get angry with the people who just enjoy their vaping but aren't doing anything to keep the right to vape.
I also think that we need contacts with clout in Brussels and get out and meet them, give them some expensive wining and dining.
The EU doesn't work for us and they want us to go away, hence the last committee looking at the TPD deleted all references to eliquid any eliquid not regulated as medical. They also placed an amendment that would stop all online sales.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Apr 2, 2013 17:52:07 GMT
The latest update on this study compared what was found with the same in NRT. Sorry, can't remember if I found that on UKV, POTV or one of the blogs, but amount of each was compared with NRT contaminants.
The NRT devices contain more of many of the contaminants although all had less that the amount permitted by law.
The study was funded by Pharma if I remember correctly.
The people who give in their instructions for using Quickmist spray to prime it by spraying around the room!
There is genuine research, research taken out of context to make something look better or worse, fake science and slanted science. Unfortunately those who want to get rid of vaping don't come into the 'genuine, complete, repeatable, peer-reviewed and unbiased' class.
I loathe cartos but that;s just personal taste. Fact is the majority who know nothing about forums or bans do use cartos and 90maH batteries, they want to have something like a cigarette.
With a science degree background I never believe everything I read and I always try to find the funding first.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 28, 2013 19:31:59 GMT
A member of UKV started a thread calling for all vapers on all forums to get together and try to come up with a way that will put the good points about vaping in the public eye so that nobody can ignore us, including MEPs. There is a request to post to other forums. UKVThis is the thread:- What should WE do - EU TPD and e-cigs We can all see ECITA are doing an amazing job on behalf of this industry, there is no question about that. But we really do have to work out what part we can play in raising awareness and coordinating our numbers. A portion of us have and are writing letters, with some success. However, it seems that the media doesn't want touch this with a barge pole and I find that troubling. If certain MPs and MEPs are going to unusual efforts to ignore us, then how do we highlight that? How do we put them in a position where their behaviour can't be ignored? If it comes to it, is there the appetite to congregate in public, en masse, to at least draw this into the open and not just on the forums? How do we make ppl care or at least talk about this? I know that many of us have a real fire in our bellies about this and with good reason. How do we utilise it? This isn't going to go away and is still looking like ending in a way that is unpalatable to anyone who sees the value in a device which could save millions of lives. So. Public awareness. What do we do? |
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 28, 2013 19:23:23 GMT
I received an identical reply via my MP and via my Con MEP back in January.
This was, of course, before anybody mentioned flavours in eliquid.
In fact I thought that the TPD was only about flavours in tobacco until elites brought it up by saying they'd be happy with tobacco and menthol (all they sell) then the 'bubblegum' business was brought up in comittee.
ECITA have a template letter for us to send, with space to personalise.
I know I hate both menthol and tobacco flavours and would rather go back to smoking that only have them. Flavourless isn't as much of a problem for us if the strength is high enough because we can add a few drops of concentrate. Of course new vapers and the vast majority who buy cigalikes at their supermarket/corner shop/garage know nothing about any of this.
We are not only fighting for ourselves but for the majority who buy cigalikes and vapers-to-be.
So I'm writing yet another letter to all of them.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 27, 2013 11:56:47 GMT
I read that maybe Sweden will leave the EU if flavours in snus are banned there.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 27, 2013 11:55:02 GMT
Can it be pointed out that we are individuals who have organised ourselves to fight for the right to live and not smoke tobacco, but we do not have a big organisation with a lot of money behind us.
If any MEP is willing to fund a small group (maybe ECCA, which has few members and no money) to meet MEPs and ENVI committee members in Brussels, some will come. Can't these people realise that they are elected by people to represent them and there may be enough vapers already to change the make-up of the EU parliament? We have no rights to see them and have been led to believe that it is pointless to go to Brussels as only industries are listened to, not consumers who want to improve their health and fear that the TPD will drive them back to smoking. If the NCP part of the TPD is passed the EU will have over 7 million extra smokers and the number will remain at 20% smokers at best, apart from Sweden where snus is legal and both smoking and smokers diseases are the lowest in the EU, maybe in the world.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 16, 2013 9:47:37 GMT
Towards the end of last year a bricks and mortar vape shop opened in my area. Although every garage, corner shop and supermarket sells cigalikes, this shop has moved from a few customers a week to an almost consistent stream and although it sells one cigalike type, all the new vapers seem to choose various forms of egos. So here, South of London, where you wouldn't think there'd be many vapers, it's becoming fairly common although most do buy cigalikes at garages and supermarkets. The oldest customer at the shop is 85! Anyway, hoping to get a mini-meet at the local community centre, don't know if the local press could be invited to come along but could always ask. Which shop and where Anna ? I work in the Southern London area and have been keeping an eye out for shops. Mono The shop is called Sweet Cloud and it's in Farnborough, Hants. There is a basic website www.sweetcloud.co.uk/ but you can't buy online. One lovely thing is that you can sample just about every eliquid available and the number is growing, it's now one of the few shops that sells El Toro. I'd say it's about 30 miles south of Heathrow, so south of London, not South London. |
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 15, 2013 19:56:14 GMT
Towards the end of last year a bricks and mortar vape shop opened in my area. Although every garage, corner shop and supermarket sells cigalikes, this shop has moved from a few customers a week to an almost consistent stream and although it sells one cigalike type, all the new vapers seem to choose various forms of egos.
So here, South of London, where you wouldn't think there'd be many vapers, it's becoming fairly common although most do buy cigalikes at garages and supermarkets. The oldest customer at the shop is 85!
Anyway, hoping to get a mini-meet at the local community centre, don't know if the local press could be invited to come along but could always ask.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Mar 15, 2013 19:28:44 GMT
I am an ECCA member and am willing to help with creating a website containing studies and research (although I'd hope I wouldn't have to do all the study and research to find the studies and research. I'm no web expert but do have some experience although getting a site to the top of the ranking does have some connection with the number visiting it (optimisation helps).
I took part in the test for the AGM, which is on April 14th at 10 pm (ECCA people like VTTV as well) and I think there were only five or six people.
I have been a volunteer for an internet-based organisation since 2001 and learnt that the hardest part is to get people to give up some time for the cause. In an organisation with over 100,000 members no more then 10 actually do anything!
We need ECCA, but with so few people trying to do everything it will never be important.
We need ECCA now more than ever. We need people who can communicate in a way that will be listened to, like the vaping doctor in the lords committee.
ECCA needs to be the official body representing all vapers, dual-users and future vapers. A trade organisation is often distrusted because it represents the industry. ECCA should be representing the consumers, including those who just use cigalikes where smoking is banned. As the saying goes, 'out of little acorns mighty oak trees grow'.
ECCA could become the oak tree that cracks through the ignorance, the fanaticism, the commercial self-interest and the holier than thou stance of those who insist that vaping is a form of NRT to quit nicotine, ignore the truth, and would happily condemn well over 7 million vapers in Europe (we have no idea of the actual number in the UK or Europe as it's grown so quickly) to burning tobacco because 'we don't know what's in e-cigs' and 'nicotine is dangerous' amongst many other false excuses.
So come on people. If you want the right to vape get off your backsides and help ECCA.
Let's give ECCA teeth!
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Post by AnnaLaw on Feb 25, 2013 18:02:18 GMT
I've been glued to the 'public' EU presentation today and e-cigs were mentioned by a number of Committee members.
The main reason for objecting to banning any useful strength was that they can help smokers quit.
Borgia said that 2 mg in 0.5 ml was the same as the nicotine from a cigarette (note to Borgia - we don't 'smoke' one in 5 minutes)
I'm calling him Borgia as the Linda who spoke for the TPD called the one non-pharma, non-ANTZ 'stakeholder' a Goliath because he was the sole tobacco rep. No ecig or snus reps.
Why they are dangerous by Linda Madwatsit.
1.They irratate the throat
2. We don't know what's in them
3. Some contain irresponsibly high quantities of nicotine
4. If you have a bottle in the fridge you could accidentally drink it
5. Users have no control over the amount of nicotine so it will build up in their bodies until the lose consceuosness from a nicotine ID.
Also mentioned, the 2 UK reports expected soon (MHRA and NICE) which will regualte them as medicines. I think what that answer was anyway.
Tomorow's meeting is secret and includes the 1st vote.
I know that ecigs with any nicotine are banned in Canada, or so some say, and Canada has apparently had a big drop in smoking, but Canadians buy theirs from the USA.
In fact the 3 countries named as having under 20% smokers, Australia, parts of America and Canade, I think all have lively ecig markets.
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Post by AnnaLaw on Jan 15, 2013 11:27:07 GMT
Not the same from a Lib-Dem MEP.  In reply to my first letter she quoted the draft Tobacco Directive back to me and said that when an MA was obtained I'd be able to get ecigs on prescription. So I wrote back, stating facts more firmly and gave her links to a number of independant studies. She seems to be looking for any excuse to toe the party line from the reply I received today. I'm copying this to several forums. I have just received a second letter from my Lib-Dem MEP, the one that said I could get nicotine on prescription in order to stop smoking, the one who ignored everything I said. I think I need to write again, this time finding studies addressing the arguments she uses this time round! I ask everybody in the SE to write to her addressing these points as well. Here is the letter:- She misses the point that we don't want to stop using nicotine and a delivery system that isn't always cigalikes and pre-filled cartos, and that kids see ecigs as uncool, or that cigarettes aren't being banned so the more who use ecigs the better, or that all contents are approved for medical use already! |
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Post by AnnaLaw on Jan 14, 2013 20:31:32 GMT
I've decided that I'll vote in future - mark my paper 'none of the above'!
But politics don't come into this. In the EU UK party members are members of other groups anyway, and this is not a party-political issue.
So it doesn't make any difference which party your MEPs and MP belong to, keep polkitics out of it and just write.
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