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Is it a coincidence that the Intellicig announcement came with the EU directive.
Tobacco companies want to market disposable cigalikes in the same way as they used to do with cigarettes. I don't think they're interested in us enthusiasts. As for getting the micotine, pesticides have been suggested but they certainly aren't quality controlled for use in vaping. They're after the nic liquid and the non-medical limit is set to that which wouldn't affect a non-smoker.

If anybody watched VTTV last night, there was a call for all forums to unite, to bring in as many people we know, and start a real movement. They also asked us to send letters to our MEPs and MPs.

I sent one to my MEPs last night and posted it on POTV and UKV. This morning I sent one to my MP and am posted it on all three forums. There's a handy web site that allows you to send letters to both your MP and MEPs at www.writetothem.com/

Anybody who would like to use it as a basis for their own letter is welcome.

]I've just re-jigged my letter for my MP. I changed it a little, added a little, and aimed it more at the UK opting out of this part of the Directive.

The web site for letters is www.writetothem.com

I'm posting it in all the forums, we need to all get together on this and persuade everybody we know to join in.

Here is my letter, in red.

Dear

I am writing to you regarding the new revised European Tobacco Directive, specifically those parts relating to Electronic Cigarettes and asking the UK government not to implement this part of the Directive.

I do not know the extent of your knowledge of this new method of nicotine delivery, but as somebody who smoked 40 cigarettes a day and more for over 50 years and was always unable to quit using any approved medical methods, I ask you to oppose the implementation of this part of the Directive, which, if it becomes law, will be responsible for illness and death in many people who no longer smoke thanks to this invention by a Chinese pharmaceutical company that then became the first company to sell these devices.

Electronic cigarettes do not appeal to children and young people, who are attracted to tobacco. Users of electronic cigarettes are long-term smokers who have been unable to quit.
Both myself and a number of people I know have stopped smoking and are classed as non-smokers by our doctors because we inhale flavoured vapour that contains nicotine. The majority of us either cannot or have no desire to give up nicotine and have failed in all efforts using nicotine replacement therapy and/or other 'stop smoking' drugs.

The amount of nicotine proposed as the maximum permitted in this directive would be useless for the majority of electronic cigarette users. Few can use less than 12 mg/ml concentration without smoking, the majority use 18mg/ml, and a few need as much as 24mg/ml in order not to return to smoking. The maximum permitted to be sold without a medicines license in the EU Directive would only appeal to non-smokers, as nicotine content permitted would be zero or almost so, this amount being calculated as having little or no effect on a non-smoker.

It is true that nicotine is dangerous but the quantity of nicotine used by us is less dangerous than that in a pack of 20 cigarettes if they are eaten and certainly far less dangerous than NRT products in the hands of children.

Electronic cigarettes do not contain the 4000+ toxins in tobacco smoke, very little nicotine is released into the atmosphere, so we no longer smell of smoke or endanger children and non-smokers with second-hand smoke.
In the UK this industry is already tightly regulated under Health and Safety and Trading Standards laws. The liquid for these electronic cigarettes not sold in pre-filled cartridges must be CHIP compliant, all have appropriate heatth warnings and it is batch-tested for purity by independent laboratories.

Unbiased evidence shows that electronic cigarettes are far less harmful than smoking, possibly having only 1% of the danger, as much as drinking coffee, but the benefit is enormous in tobacco harm reduction.

I do know that if this directive is passed and implemented as it stands now, millions of people throughout Europe and hundreds of thousands of people in the UK, will return to smoking and probably cost the NHS a considerable amount of money treating smoking-related diseases, as well as causing many more smoking-related deaths. Therefore I beg you to do all you can to prevent this draconian attack on UK citizens who have given up smoking or are likely to do so in the future by using electronic cigarettes. Vaping, as we call it, is not smoking. True, the nicotine is extracted from tobacco leaves in the same way as it is for NRT, but the same nicotine can be bought at any chemists shop, using methods and flavours that have failed many times for those who could only stop smoking with this method. These devices and the nicotine used with them is intended to reduce harm in those who are unable to quit, not to be used as a quitting method, although some have successfully stopped smoking using them.

There is also a growing European and UK industry in the manufacture and sale of the liquid for electronic cigarettes and the sale of the devices used. This is a young and growing industry, employing more people every year as more smokers learn of electronic cigarettes and give up smoking successfully by using them instead. Pharmaceutical grade nicotine is now produced in the UK and UK manufacturers and vendors would be forced out of business, creating more unemployment and cutting off a new British industry. This industry is so young that the present British companies cannot afford to obtain a medicines license yet, only the big tobacco companies have sufficient money.

The maximum nicotine permitted in this directive, of 4 mg, assuming that is 4 mg/ml as the strength is measured for electronic cigarettes, would be completely ineffective for 99% of those who use them.

If this directive is passed and adopted by the UK, then the EU will be responsible for the ill-health and deaths of millions throughout the EU, the number of smokers will increase as in most of the UK those who have successfully converted completely to electronic cigarettes are as healthy as non-smokers, and no young people will be affected as young people have no interest in these devices. I would in fact argue that if a teenager did decide to use nicotine it would be far safer than smoking, although I know of no young person who has started with electronic cigarettes. According to a poll of those who have swapped cigarettes for electronic ones, which we do not like to call cigarettes, the average age is between 30 and 50, the youngest being in their early 20s, the oldest over 70. In fact I know of a few people in their 80s whose health has improved thanks to these devices and the nicotine they use.

The majority of those who use 'personal vapourisers' (the term preferred to 'electronic cigarettes') no longer like the taste of tobacco. The liquid used in these are to appeal to adults, not to children. Also in the UK the trade follows the law of not selling to under 18s, although that is harder to police until they are available in every high street and we no longer need to use online vendors.

I ask you, for the sake of the health of Britons if for no other reason, to oppose this ban on effective electronic cigarettes in the UK. The government can tax them although I find it hard to imagine a 'sin tax' on something that is relatively harmless compared to tobacco.

The number of people who switch from tobacco to electronic cigarettes is increasing exponentially. The people who switch, from tobacco is increasing every day. It is not easy for most and requires will-power, but is do-able for many who continue smoking even after their health is so affected that they have poor quality of life.
These devices were first developed by a Chinese chemist working for a Chinese pharmaceutical company, to help people stop smoking. The electronic cigarette industry has never attempted to obtain a medicines license because of the cost and also because consumers do not want to take a medicine or be classed as smokers. We do not smoke, no smoke exists and no tobacco burnt.

Although there may be poor regulation of e-cigarette liquid in some EU countries this is not the case in the UK. The nicotine used is pharmaceutical grade.

Please investigate and take up this matter, because if the EU Tobacco Directive becomes law in its entirety in the UK many ex-smokers will become smokers again and many who would stop smoking will be unable to do so.
This part of the Directive would be the equivalent of a death sentence to British vapers, a number of whom live in this constituency.



Yours sincerely,

I recently got myself a DiD clone and as it came with a ready-fitted wick and coil I've breen using that after many coil adjustments and one new coil. But I have yet to make a mesh wick and I want to replace this one because it works but is weird.
I'm somebody who finds it almost impossible to do straigh lines. I made rollies with a slant on the paper and even got banned from cutting cable because it always had an angle where I cut it.

So, I need to make a wick. Most methods oxidise the mesh before rolling but I saw one way that oxidised after. Which is best for somebody who isn't a good roller?
I've seen mesh oxidised very lightly that works and I know somebody who puts a torch on it for hours. Some boil the mesh before oxidising, some don't.
I even watched one video that left a part of the wick unoxidised, rolled before oxidising, said only the surface needs oxidising, and as long as the end of the wick doesn't tough the bottom of the tank you don't need to oxidise that part.

What do the experts say is the best way of making a mesh wick from scratch for a hole about 2mm or less in a mini-DiD clone to be used by somebody who is all fingers and thumbs and has a choice between a gas cooker ring and a lighter to oxidise?

I can keep this wick for a while but it is weird, only seems to have a hole in the bottom, just enough to hold with a 1.5 allen key in the middle, the rest seems solid. It also has a kind of notch, widening at the wick hole that makes the wick bendy there so I worry that it will break and the bendy bit makes it hard to keep the wick straight while coiling.

I discovered this when cleaning and making a new coil, couldn't believe it didn't have a hole right though the middle and the notch is very annoying.

That's why I'm asking if anybody has any tips for wick-making that aren't in the videos I've watched, or can say which is the best method.

Also as this clone is small and fiddly, is it better to wind the coil before fitting or after? I've been winding after, the last time before pushing the centre post up, so it didn't get in the way.

Ta.

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SS Lavatube with genie-style atty with a clear tank, plus my arm!
I uploaded the pic as an attachment then worked out how to do it!

I had to read the thread to know what it was about... getting old maybe.
It just happens that the atty looks identical to the one that came through my letterbox on Saturday.
So I hope I gave a clue there. I find the hardest thing is keeping them tight. I'm going to wind a new coil tomorrow with more resistance and leave plenty of spare wire at each end to make sure I can fix it firmly in a nice 's' shape.

Me too, almost. I reigned myself in as I had a lot of big bills coming.

I was born in Farnham hospital and spent most of my life around the area. The Good Intent in Puttenham is an olde wolde vape-friendly pub and Mytchett Community Centre has cheap beer plus an increasing number of vapers.
The local corner shop started selling E-lites recently but shortly after we got a real vaping shop in Farnborough. I think all the little local shops sell disposables called Ten Comments. I have no idea what's in them but the only one I tried tasted of burnt plastic. The trouble with those things is that they put people off and cost the same as a pack of ciggies.

True, a big battery lasts the longest and if the battery and electronics aren't in one piece you have a chance of outlasting the batteries.
But most people move from the skycig type to egos and clearos. They come in many sizes and you can even get ones that you can alter the voltage. They are also cheap and a lot cheaper in the long run than cigalikes like skycig.

I've got a bit of Irish and Welsh, sorry, no Scots ancestors, just Heinz European varieties.
I need to find time to get stuck in here now, too much to do, too few hours to do it in.

Thanks for the warm welcome from everyone.