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Post by Edge on Feb 26, 2013 16:54:36 GMT
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Post by Edge on Feb 22, 2013 23:18:16 GMT
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Post by Edge on Feb 21, 2013 22:58:53 GMT
I started on e-lites because they sold them at the local petrol station, 200 cigs for £20 a bargain and sadly not true.
I had no idea that anything else was available. I had never seen or heard of vapeing/mods or silly things that look nothing like cigs.
I only found other systems from looking on the internet for stronger/cheaper ecigs.
Found Vape Escape on the internet ordered a vision starter kit (1 battery, 1 vision head, charger).
Went to the shop to pick up my new cigs and got introduced to the world of vapeing. Got the riva starter kit couple days later.
The riva starter kit was/is a great starting point but was very daunting for me. If the gent who talked me through everything had shown me a vv or vv/vw device I would have walked out.
I wanted a simple system that I can use indoors that will deliver nicotine. The riva starter kit does that. Cheap and simple.
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Post by Edge on Feb 16, 2013 21:58:16 GMT
I worked at a Royal Mail sorting office during Christmas many years ago.
If anyone gets mail on-time, in one piece they should do a lap of honour round their garden.
"Do not bend" doesn't mean you cant fold it!
"Fragile" means you can't kick it when you drop it.
If anything rattles everyone shakes hell out of it to guess whats inside.
If anything was dropped it was swept up at the end of the shift.
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Post by Edge on Feb 9, 2013 12:06:14 GMT
Flybe asked what I was doing but didn't mind as long as they have no complaints from other passengers.
Air France take a very dim view, told me to stop or I would be arrested on landing.
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 22:52:54 GMT
Huh.. I was referring to the opening sentences from the FDA source which you conveniently glossed over: You specifically said that copper vessels are perfectly safe because the FDA says so. It does not look like the FDA says that does it? In your opinion it is safe to use an atty that is degrading plating and exposing layers of copper underneath which in turn degrades again in front of your eyes and forms green cuprate salts. Ok. I would advise anyone who sees an atty degrade and plating come off to bin it. It was not required for lead to be heated to vaporization point or boiled and cooked to get into your system. It was enough to drink water from lead pipes. No I said copper is approved for direct and indirect food contact, never mentioned cooking. Never mentioned lead. FFS not worth the effort. You have no idea what you are talking about. If Copper Oxide is a hazard, why are water pipes copper. Wilkapedia is your friend! |
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 22:39:05 GMT
That's fine..I used that atomizer for 2 days and cleaned it to check as I was testing it before it was photographed..There was salt formation for your information. Read 4-101.14 on this page from the FDA you kept quoting. www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/FoodCode2009/ucm189212.htmAnd don't advise that it is safe just because you would not worry about it. Fact is you don't know. Edit to add: Does not prevent the metal from leaching into e-juice and being inhaled..It can be inhaled as a colloid in the vapour..It's not essential for the metal to be heated to the point of giving off fumes..It's sufficient for the metal to get into your lungs as a fine colloid in vapour..Your lungs have no way of disposing off this detritus..That's what I meant by inhaling it and ithe leaching is accelerated in the presence of heat.. He is smoking the juice not making booze!!!!!!!!!!!! You have your opinion I have mine lets leave it at that. I really can't be bothered everything I have learnt at Uni and work must be wrong. I bow to your greater knowledge |
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 22:18:42 GMT
Copper, Chrome and the wire element in a ecgi (Nickel/chrome 1400C) will not vaperize with a 6v battery.
Therefore you are not inhaling vapour.
The photo shows no copper oxide.
High school chemistry - long time since I was at school but did study chemistry at college, University and have worked in surface chemistry for 25 years. Fifteen of which were specialsing in Copper, Zinc and Aluminium coatings.
Its a cosmetic fault not a health hazard.
You did mention vaperizing copper with this comment about inhaling it.
"Inhaling and ingesting are two different things..Water or fruit juice may be perfectly safe to drink but try inhaling it"
We have a different point of view and its been very interesting. Me I wouldn't worry about it.
You have concerns.
Each to their own, as you say for the sake of £5 bin it.
I don't think getting into a argument on Copper salt chemistry will add anything to the thread - OK it will prove I'm a chemistry geek!
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 21:51:54 GMT
Copper is approved by the FDA for direct food contact. Copper vaporizes at over 2000C. If your juices contain anything that can both bond chemically to copper to form copper salts your ecig still won't get hot enough to vaporize the copper. Copper and copper salts have the same boiling and vaporization temperature. You could suck on a copper pipe for the next hundred years it will have no effect. Copper salts still have to be over 2000c to vaporize (2595+ C). If your ECG/mod is getting that hot send it back to the vender or leave provision in your will to get your money back because there will be nothing left of you. You keep on repeating yourself and banging on about FDA..There are several documented cases of copper poisoning due to cooking in untreated copper vessels..Copper Oxide is a known toxic and can cause extensive damage to the body when ingested let alone inhaled. Copper reacts with alkali and forms cuprate salts. Green coloured stuff that you would hesitate to touch. Seen pennies go bad? E-juice and vapour is alkaline.. You suck on your copper pipe. and make your attys out of copper and have fun..Just don't advise that it is safe cause it ain't..I have no desire to suck on a copper pipe..If you have such a desire, be my guest. I am still waiting to hear about the vaporization point of Chrome and how that chrome plating vanished. Chrome is 2600+ C. It is not possible to vaperize metals with a 6volt battery. The fault is either wear and tear or poor chrome plate. Only issue with cooking with copper vessels is if your are allergic to copper. |
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 21:14:55 GMT
Exposed copper in contact with e-juice forms copper salts which are quite toxic.. So just how do you think that chrome layer vanished? No I am not going to get rid of everything with copper but I am most certainly not going to allow it come in contact with juice or vapour.. Copper is approved by the FDA for direct food contact. Copper vaporizes at over 2000C. If your juices contain anything that can both bond chemically to copper to form copper salts your ecig still won't get hot enough to vaporize the copper. Copper and copper salts have the same boiling and vaporization temperature. You could suck on a copper pipe for the next hundred years it will have no effect. Copper salts still have to be over 2000c to vaporize (2595+ C). If your ECG/mod is getting that hot send it back to the vender or leave provision in your will to get your money back because there will be nothing left of you. |
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 20:38:05 GMT
I don't know why you would say it is safe...Inhaling and ingesting are two different things..Water or fruit juice may be perfectly safe to drink but try inhaling it. So while copper pipes may carry drinking water, does not make to safe to inhale copper salts which will be produced on the exposed plating. Free machining brass contains lead in small quantities in addition. Granted the effects are unknown as there are no studies, but do you really want to advise someone to take a risk for a fiver? There is no risk Copper has a boiling point of over 2000C, that would need a bloody big atty! Copper is approved by the FDA for direct and in-direct food contact. Its still approved for kids toys. Copper plate will not vaporize at the temperatures an ecig will reach. If copper was a health risk when exposed it would still be a health risk when covered. The top chrome coat will have microscopic holes allowing exposure of the copper. Are you going to bin anything with copper? |
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Post by Edge on Feb 1, 2013 19:35:32 GMT
Perfectly safe.
Chances are its a thin layer (microns not millimeters) thick used as a bonding layer.
That amount of copper wouldn't do any harm if you ate it.
The human body cannot absorb copper (Cu) in its solid metal state, which is why water pipes are copper.
If it is a brass then its a mix of copper and zinc (approx 1:4) this is even less of a hazard.
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Post by Edge on Jan 30, 2013 0:08:15 GMT
Welcome "Edge". I always fear these newbie posts when I see E-Lites and then read things like "Grizwald and GVC" - I have frightening visions of people wasting good juice on those pointless items of tat. So, you've gone to Visions and Vamo already. Good for you.  I can sell you some special "E-glasses" that stop you buying shiny kit. They are £7.99 (for two) and one pair are equally to approximately 80 pairs of normal glasses that do not contain the special "coating" which make you impervious to internet spending. Thanks for the offer, cheap at twice the price. I have all the shiny kit I need, smaller one for work, bigger one for 'best'. My only spending now will be juice and clearos. Only reason I got the Vamo was to try and get more nic/smoke into my system. After years of being a heavy smoker I feel like I'm still missing something so one big silver truncheon with a plastic nipple is enough for me. |
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