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Thanks Karma.   I think I might go for the 30s because it's the only one with a crack-resistant tank, although I do prefer the design of the 30b. I'm going to try and resist the temptation to get both.....at least for a little while! 

After hearing good things about them on this fine forum, I've decided to try out the Innokin iclear 30. But I'm a bit confused, because I've come across 3 different versions that all seem to take different heads:the iclear 30, the iclear 30s and the iclear 30b. What are the differences between them and which is the best in your opinion? 

+1 on vapology - their custom service allows you choose your flavours and pg / vg ratio and the prices aren't bad at all. 

8bitvape.co.uk/?p=custom also offers tailor-made juices for similar prices and you get even more options, including different kinds of steeping. I've tried their liquid and thought it was very good. Their 'tropical space pirate' is a great tropical fruit flavour that mixes well with other fruity flavours. 

Thanks for your advice. It's a shame that there isn't more compatibility between products from different manufacturers, but I guess that's just the nature of the business....

I think that the development of a simple, affordable, 100% reliable clearo that works every time would be a blessing for new vapers and those who don't like fiddling, but I also wonder whether it would be possible to design easy, foolproof options for high end RBA's.

In theory, it seems that you could make a good wick and coil setup for a high end RBA, put it in a suitable replaceable housing unit, and stick it in the atty. Replacing the coils on an RBA would then be no more difficult than changing the head on a protank. Those who like rebuilding would still have the option to do so, but others could just buy replacement heads and fit them when needed. More people could enjoy vaping RBA's and the market for high-end devices would expand.

To me, it seems obvious that manufacturers should aim to provide something like this. But they don't, which suggests that they're only targeting a small group of enthusiasts who enjoy rebuilding rather than all the consumers who would be willing to pay a bit more money in order to get a top-quality vape with minimal effort.

I still haven’t gone to bed (bloody insomnia!), so I’ll bite.


Ok, maybe my rollup example wasn’t the best, ‘cos they do take some effort to master. But I think that my point still stands. Smokers have the choice of either buying rolling tobacco or pre-made cigarettes. Both do the same job equally well. And the option that takes more effort costs less than the easier option, which seems to make sense.


Vapers also have the choice of either buying a product that is simple to use (clearos / cartos) or one that takes more effort to learn (RBA’s). But they don’t do the same job equally well. And bizarrely, the option that tends to be more expensive is the one that requires more effort and skill.


The reason that I think it’s important to demand more reliable and simple products is because there are a lot of people who just aren’t interested in fiddling with wicks and coils, but who want a decent, consistent vape. But it seems that the higher end of the market isn’t trying to target these people, so they end up stuck with crappy gear. As I see it, more high-end manufacturers should have the average smoker or new vaper as their target market, because that way we’ll have more consistent and easy to use products, which will attract more new vapers and help the community to grow.


Maybe you’re the kind of person who likes to learn to roll a 5-paper spl@@f or build the perfect coil – and that’s perfectly fine. But not everyone is like that. When I smoked, I preferred ready-made cigarettes and only bought rolling tobacco when money was tight. I didn’t spend ages perfecting my technique in order to produce the perfect roll-up because there were other things that I’d rather spend my time doing. As long as it smoked, I was happy. The same applies to vaping for me. I’m not looking for vaping nirvana– just something that works consistently with the minimum of effort. And I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking like this.


Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy vaping and have no intention of going back to the stinkies. The health benefits alone are a good enough reason to stop me doing that. But it is frustrating to be faced with the choice of either having to put up with unreliable devices, or devoting time and effort to do fiddly tasks that you find tricky and annoying. I’m sure that a lot of people would be happy to pay a fair bit of money for a ‘high-end’ reliable, user-friendly atty with pre-made coil heads, but the manufacturers will only make them if we kick up a fuss and show that there’s a market for them. So that’s what I’m doing.