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Post by chris86 on Dec 23, 2013 1:06:49 GMT
Sorry But if they want to live in our country then we have rules as well. I wouldn't dare going to another another country without a quick check of the rules/laws, although i'm guessing there's nothing i do that could be deemed as wrong. I get fed up of people claiming they are coming from poverish places and then seeking refuge here and then moaning that it's not good here and not wanting to fit in. M&S have since apologised. I've bought many a pack of overpriced bacon and a can of overpriced beer from corner shops run by Muslims. Double standards me thinks. Muslims who live in Britain are expected to abide by the law, just like everyone else. This seems fair to me, but I see no reason why they should be subject to any additional rules or restrictions. As long as their actions remain within the law and they don't hurt anyone, then surely there's no problem with them adhering to their own customs. I think that tolerance and respect for other cultures results in a more unified and integrated society than demanding that people change their ways of life. All religious doctrines are open to interpretation and some Muslims interpret the Koran more strictly than others, so some will be ok with selling pork and alcohol (but won't touch it themselves) while others won't. As far as I'm concerned, that's down to each individual's personal choice. I'm sure that there are some Muslims who overcharge for goods, but there are plenty of non-Muslims who do that too!
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Post by chris86 on Dec 23, 2013 0:43:43 GMT
It's in the Daily Fail you can be pretty sure it's probably made up or at least one sided. But I agree with earlier posts - if you object that much to pork & booze, shouldn't you work somewhere else? I understand this point, but I think that in the current economic climate, a lot of people have to take whatever work they can get. And getting a job on on the checkout in a supermarket may well be the only work available to some people.
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Post by chris86 on Dec 23, 2013 0:33:36 GMT
I believe the Australians say "live here, live by our rules, integrate into our society as it is or leave". Why should we bend over to accept their single minded selfish attempts to alter our society to suit themselves?! I've worked in many muslim countries including saudi, and there is no way they will change their behaviour there to suit my beliefs or way of life (well saudi is the worst - everything closes for prayer time, even if you are waiting in a sue to get served at mcdonalds, when the mosque starts, they close and kick everyone out). Some (the emirates) welcome us up to a point (i lived in abu dhabi for 18 months) and you can buy pork products from spinneys but have to get a liquor licence to buy take out booze from special shops. but in my experience the locals treat you with contempt. Then you have indonesia, malaysia and egypt that are muslim and christian mixed but much more open to other cultures. You have to conform to their beliefs in their country or be in trouble with the police. Perhaps if they had the same threat here, they wouldn't be so up themselves. Sorry if I seem racist, generally I'm not, but this really bugs me. I’m afraid that I can’t agree with any of this. I think that issues like the M&S thing shouldn’t be taken too seriously. More importantly, I think that a free and open country should never try to force anyone to integrate. There are two reasons for this - one is a matter of principle and the other is more pragmatic: Firstly, forcing people to live their lives in certain ways leads to an overly rigid and controlled society. You complain about having had to adhere to rules that are alien to your culture when you lived in Saudi Arabia, yet you suggest that Muslims should be forced to adhere to Western norms when living in Britain. This seems self-contradictory to me. Surely a good thing about living in Britain, as opposed to Saudi Arabia, is that people have the freedom to act in accordance with their own norms and beliefs rather than being forced to integrate whether they like it or not. Secondly, trying to force people to integrate is counter-productive, because telling people that they have to give up their own culture and adopt yours instead is likely to just turn them against you. Being forced to wear a Burka wouldn’t make most British women take kindly to Islam. Similarly, trying to force Muslims to adopt a more Western attitude will make them want to cling all the more tightly to their own customs. Genuine integration only happens when people freely choose to adopt new ways of life, and they are much more likely to do this if they feel welcomed and valued rather than restricted and oppressed. I think that the vast majority of Muslim people want to live here peacefully and get on with their lives without being forced to choose between being British and being Muslim. And I see no reason at all why they can’t be both. It’s not as if praying regularly, wearing certain items of clothing and not handling pork or alcohol are massively disruptive. You might get occasional minor problems like this incident in M&S, but that’s a small price to pay for living in a tolerant society. And while fundamentalist Islam is dangerous (as is all fundamentalism), it only accounts for a very small minority of British Muslims. Unfortunately, the right-wing press likes to pick up on minor issues and blow them out of all proportion, while creating the illusion of an inherent link between Islam and terrorism. But that’s because the right-wing press has its own rather sinister agenda.
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Post by chris86 on Dec 22, 2013 14:33:39 GMT
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on AAEC! 2014 should definitely be a healthier year for me than previous years, what with having taken up vaping instead of smoking. I'm not so confident when it comes to wealth though....there's just too much shiny and juicy temptation out there!
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Post by chris86 on Dec 22, 2013 12:38:46 GMT
Hi and welcome Robert. I'm new here too so it's nice to see other new faces coming on board. No problems with your English as far as I can tell - you probably speak it better than I do, and I was born here! I'd definitely advise you to upgrade from a CE4 to an Evod, because Evods are affordable, easy to use and give you a much better vape. Please don't hesitate to ask if you have questions about anything.
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 15:44:14 GMT
One for those who spend that little bit too long polishing their mods every day!
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 14:22:24 GMT
Managed a reply (bel4gor) wait for the trolls and misinformation from the Daily Fail readers. If I have said anything wrong on the thread please feel free to correct me Great post, but you might have gone too far when you told them about how many vegetables contain nicotine. Now they're going to think that the 'eat 5 a day' campaign was an evil conspiracy between the government and Big Tobacco. I totally understand why you want to prevent unfair legislation from being passed against vapers, but persuading people to discriminate against greengrocers instead isn't the answer. And you should spare a thought for all those poor kids who are going to go to bed constipated tonight because of your post.
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 13:18:55 GMT
"Absolutely terrifying. They are not healthy, they are highly addictive, apparently more so that fags.
Very true. I read it in the Daily Mail. The headline was horrific, probably something like "My 2 month old son caused house prices to crash by inhaling crack into his eyeballs with an e-cigarette given to him by immigrant terrorist paedophiles"
They apparently have led to a higher sales of normal fags because of exactly that reason.
Yes, it's very clear that vaping is a gateway into smoking, just like drinking water is a gateway into alcoholism.
So essentially smokers often do both to get a bigger hit. They are not just water and nicotine, for a start they are flavoured - that is the first clue, and the flavour is inhaled too as is the 'pure' liquid (no this is not pure glacial spring water).
Oh my God! Those evil e-cig companies misled me. There I was thinking that I had found a new, healthier way of consuming nicotine by inhaling nothing but pure water! Oh well, I suppose that if I had started inhaling water I'd be an alcoholic by now.
There is a human lethal dose for inhaling nicotine, god knows what it does to little developing lungs.
Note to self: Try to remember to give baby the bottle instead of the protank next time.
Nicotine is still teratogenic (causes horrible problems in developing foetuses) and still causes cardiovasular illnesses. And looks utterly ridiculous, as do people who claim it should be sold in holland and barratt.
Nicotine does indeed look utterly ridiculous (but not quite as absurd as water, which has me in stitches whenever I look at it.)
However, it will be fascinating to epidemiologists who can finally look at disease outcome and link it more conclusively to nicotine, so I bet they are delighted, as basically it is one giant human experiment so at least the white lab mice are being spared."
It's nice to end on a positive note. We might be killing ourselves and corrupting the nation's youth with deadly devices full of a liquid that's almost as dangerous and ridiculous as water, but ultimately this doesn't really matter because mice obviously matter more than human beings. Phew, I almost got worried there!
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 12:56:13 GMT
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 12:11:13 GMT
A very warm welcome to you Chris. We certainly hope our forum has something for everyone, regardless of their budget or vaping needs. We don't do pretentious, what's that all about over anything. Make yourself at home. Pretentious? NO. Opinionated and generally annoying....I can do that. Welcome chris86I have encountered a fair bit of the "may as well buy the top mod straight off as that's where you'll end up" and t.b.h. I don't buy it. Sure, if vaping is a hobby, then why not? However, doesn't mean everybody has to follow the same path. If I was one of the nay-sayers about the eGo-T (after all, it is my least favourite system and I am vocal about that, but not to the point of telling people to go and buy more expensive/complicated stuff) , then I apologise. I guess for me, I've spent a lot of time and money (in giving hardware away) trying to get people onto standard generic kit (from good brands) and away from the Joyetech/ego-atomiser mafia that rules OK here in these parts. (Basically, most local vapers just go to Totally Wicked and never consider anything else). It's a long road for us *passionate* vapers trying to get fellow vapers off the High Street nonsense or solely following the teachings of the Wicked little devil. A year ago, there were two choices in these parts. E-Lites/Nicolites/Vapourlites or Totally Wicked. Now, we have vaping shops, eGos on sale all over the place, people in the street using decent clearomisers..... it's really happening. Great reply mate....and thanks for the welcome. To be honest, I'm in two minds about eGo-T's. On the one hand, I wish that I had spent my money on something a bit better when I started, because I've realised since then that there are much better things on the market - and at affordable prices too! On the other hand, I'll always be grateful to the eGo-T for leading me down the path that led to no more cigs. I don't really have a problem with people being negative about the eGo-T and there's no need to apologise. Let's face it, its only good quality is getting people into vaping, and other devices can do that better! I worked that bit out for myself fairly soon after I started vaping, but I wasn't sure about what to upgrade to. So I asked around on another forum, and was told to go for things like Provari, Kayfun, Nemesis, Chi You, DNA20 mods and so on. I'm sure that these are all great bits of kit for those who have already got into vaping in a serious way, but I don't think that they're the next natural step up from eGO-T's. Personally, I'd suggest a Spinner or a Twist with a decent clearo to someone who is in the position that I was in a few months ago, or maybe a Vamo or SVD if they were prepared to spend a little bit more. Vaping has just started to become more of a hobby for me recently, but I think that there's a natural progression in any hobby and that it does more harm than good to suggest that new vapers aren't part of the 'in crowd' if they don't have the latest high end devices. Unfortunately, that is the attitude I've come across from some people, which is why I decided to join AAEC, where there seems to be a more open-minded and less elitist attitude than in some other places.
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Post by chris86 on Dec 21, 2013 10:56:52 GMT
myepack would be my recommendation. comes quickly and has to be signed for. good luck ! i did get it from there as i wasnt keen on spending that amount from some random on ebay just incase. Myepack was quick at sending me my 30s and got very good reputation Yeah I got some protanks from there and the service was great. I'd have advised you to go to them instead of suggesting random ebay vendors if I had known that they did special delivery. Anyway, it looks like you'll have your VTR for Christmas, I hope you enjoy it!
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