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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 22:01:05 GMT
Giz, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to move this to the general section. It's a brilliant thread, but may be a tad confusing for the many guests (averaging 700 a day now) that visit the forum & especially the new members section  Thats ab fine Chrissie, I only placed it in the newb section so people could gain an understanding of how long a battery may last relative to their useage. Something I would have been interested to learn pre-ecig investment. Probs v confuddling though, so no worries |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 21:53:31 GMT
is that for the multimeter correction......which I totally forgot about. Doh! Not really... As batteries discharge and load continues to be applied they discharge even quicker. They also self discharge without being used. Also as they age, they lose their capacity over recharge cycles. So a power factor of 0.7 is applied as a constant to the theoretical battery rating. So if someone says 1000 mah that means you start the calculation at 700 mah. If you want to be really accurate you need to know a battery's Peukert Number amongst other things like temperature and humidity etc., You cannot directly apply Ohms law to calculate battery life. EEEk! There's a little more to this than meets the eye! So basically I churned out nothing more than a collection of numbers and an equal amount of waffle? It worked for me, albeit temporarily, but it does add a lttle theory behind why different resistances can affect battery run time, and by how much. |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 21:42:43 GMT
Funny you should say that Chrissie - just spent the last hour looking through the modding section. I have the bug...and a few ideas!  |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 20:49:48 GMT
Thanks Chrissie,
I had seen this linked in other threads (by you if I remember correctly?) and to be honest it would be tempting at half the price, but I can't get over the fact that it's a vehicle cig lighter adapter which has been modified.
Now if it was variable it would be a contender.
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 20:37:40 GMT
Multiply your final figures by 0.7 and it will be more accurate for batteries.. is that for the multimeter correction......which I totally forgot about. Doh! |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 20:33:31 GMT
I need to get out more! To be fair I could have cut a long story short and just written about the conclusion I reached - which is: I need another battery! I only did those calcs for personal reasons - i needed to put something more exact to battery life than what i've read so far. What is 8 hours for one person, may be 2 hours for someone else who 'powervapes'. I know it's not exact, and there are other variables which could affect the numbers, but it gives a ballpark of what I should expect. ANd it quelled any fears that I had that my batteries were duff. And because I'm a sharing kinda guy I thought it may be helpful to share my findings, even if you have to ensure a bottle of juice is to hand so you don't run dry before you finish  |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 20:24:07 GMT
Hi all, After much frustration, realisation and deliberation I have come to the conclusion that I need a 510 passthrough! The problem is there are far too many on the market to know whether I'm being baffled by science or getting a bargain? It must be a 510 fitment to accompany the carto's and attys I already have and really must be under £20. I would like one that has variable voltage, so I can get the most from my juice. I am having trouble deciding whether it should be a battery passthrough or not? I like the versatility this offers, and the Ego 900mah is within budget: www.vapeescape.co.uk/900mah%2Dvariable%2Dvoltage%2Dbattery%2D%26%2Dpass%2Dthrough%7E287It seems though that to get the most out of VV (5v vaping!) a wired version would be better, and a little cheaper: www.healthcabin.net/indexdd.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1082_1084&products_id=7819I know there are so many others available (I must have looked at most of them) which appear to me to be much of a muchness? It all boils down to versatility of a battery passthrough, or the higher voltage of a wired passthrough? I am edging toward a battery passthrough - is there anything else I need to consider? Thank you |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 5, 2012 18:50:37 GMT
Battery run time Ego 510. (Warning = LOOOONG post) As some of you know I have been experiencing carto/atty issues, and the resultant reduced battery life. I was getting about 2 days use from each battery using the attys that came with the 510, but I was surprised to find that the carto's only gave approx. 4 hours use. I have since been searching the AAEC forum to find any info relevant to battery life expectancy, and came up with the following post, and more specifically reply # 53 from 'Dave' (Hope you don't mind me referring to this Dave?) I decided to use his formula/method to discover what kind of battery run times I should be getting? www.allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=newmembers&action=display&thread=4797&page=3To calculate total life of battery under use: (Quoting Dave from the earlier post) Assume your battery is delivering 4 volts and your cartomiser is 3 ohms. When you activate it you are drawing 1.33 amps, or 1333 milliamps. So if you had a 100mAh battery that would give you 4.5 minutes of puffing. If you fire up the battery for 5 seconds each puff, that is 54 puffs. Now how many fags that is equivalent to is hard to say - at a guess at most 4 or 5. I thought Dave was onto something here and I wanted to find out how he came up wth 4.5 minutes of puffing, so I could then calculate how long I should be getting from my battery. I may be wrong but I believe this is what Dave used: (Battery rating (mah) x 60) current drawn (mA) (100 x 60)1333 60001333 = 4.5mins From this we can then calculate how many seconds the battery will operate for, and how many 'timed' draws we can get from it: 4.5 x 60 = 270 seconds 5 second draw = 2705 = 54 draws. I have seen it written on many occasions that the average cigarette is smoked in 10 draws, therefore making the above calculation equivalant to almost 5 and a half analogues. So, onto the 510 This is based upon my Ego 510, which is rated at 1100mah. (Battery and carto/atty values have been measured by me using a multimeter) 510 battery = 3.76v (tested) rated at 1100mah (Not tested for obvious reasons-rated by manufacturer) Voltage = Current x resistance (V = I x R) Boge Carto = 3.4 Ohms. Current = 1.1amps (current drawn) Std carto = 3 Ohms. Current = 1.25amps (current drawn) Atty = 2.6 Ohms. Current = 1.44amps (current drawn) DC carto = 2 Ohms. Current = 1.88amps (current drawn) How long will the battery last with each of these cartos/atty?: BOGE: (Battery rating (mah) x 60)current drawn (mA) 1100 x 601100 660001100 = 60mins 60 x 60 = 3600 seconds 5 second draw = 720 drawsSTANDARD CARTO: (Battery rating (mah) x 60)current drawn (mA) 1100 x 601250 660001250 = 52.8mins 52.8 x 60 = 3168 seconds 5 second draw = 633 drawsATTY: (Battery rating (mah) x 60)current drawn (mA) 1100 x 601440 660001440 = 45mins 45 x 60 = 2700 seconds 2 second draw = 1350 drawsDUAL CORE: (Battery rating (mah) x 60)current drawn (mA) 1100 x 601880 660001880 = 35.1mins 35.1 x 60 = 2106 seconds 5 second draw = 421 drawsThis was a revelation! Out of all carto's/atty I find the atty and dual core carto's to give me the best vapes. I prefer the atty out of the 2, but it does my head in refilling so often Hence the move to carto's and the DC. It now makes perfect sense why I am only seeing 4 hours when using the DC in comparison to 2 days (ish) with the atty's. I am now thinking I need a passthrough...stand-by for a new thread! If these calculations are absolute rubbish please feel free to let me know otherwise I hope they can be of some help?! (I apologise if the formatting is a little erratic - it wasn't easy!) |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 3, 2012 23:46:34 GMT
Am I the only one who still really loves the smell of real smoke  I'm in and out of the front door at work a lot so I go by the smoker bin quite a bit and really like the smell of the smoke. Hate the ashtray bin, the smell of the person but the smoke I still like.  I do too! My OH smokes the odd analogue now and again and when she does I go out with her and stand down wind! I miss the taste of those rare moments when I actually enjoyed the taste too! Fortunately I don't miss it enough to want to do it again |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 3, 2012 1:01:35 GMT
Actually - am i right in thinking that if looking down at the filler and i see a thin black cable running from the centre of the air pipe and down the side of the filler this denotes a dual coil? My boge cartos have this cable but it wasn't mentioned in the description when i bought them, yet my other non branded cartos don't have this?
Or is it a quality standard of boge?
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 2, 2012 16:25:58 GMT
Sweet! They have Italian beef and pizza flavors. E juice heaven!!! Hahaha |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 2, 2012 16:22:36 GMT
I know this is slightly off topic from the original but something I noticed is that I have went off alcohol since I switched and only had a couple of drinks over about 6 months whereas I used to drink a glass of wine most nights (very naughty I know). I think a lot is to do with the fact that the Red Wine I used to adore, and think was so smooth, tastes like vinegar now my taste buds have returned.  Just wondering if anyone else has had similar change in drinking patterns. We are quite partial to a glass of red wine on the odd evening, but i have found that I've not really fancied it since starting on the ecigs. I have had a couple of glasses this week, but only because my OH was having one and i didnt want her to drink the whole bottle! (Thinking of her obviously!)  |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 2, 2012 16:14:37 GMT
Thanks guys! If your standard resistance stuff was working fine for you at 3.7v then you should stay with it and your battery life will increase but if you prefer the hit from an LR coil then you will have to suffer the reduced battery life That's just the point - the cartos are standard resistance and the dual cores are low resistance, yet they both require a long draw >5 seconds, and even then i don't always get a good hit. The 2 attys and carts that came with the kit give a good hit every time, until they need topping up that is. But each good hit is from a 1 to 2 second draw. (Been testing all afternoon). These `tests` have been done using the same juice so the only variable here seems to be the cartos and attys? Except use: My use hasn't changed much since getting the cartos, but because of this increase in draw length i have about ten cartos `in use` and 2 DCs all with different flavours to see if its the juice thats affecting the draws? All my juices are the same nic content, vg heavy and it seems the darker liquid suffers the worst, whilst the lighter (almost clear) liquids fair better, albeit very slightly, but still worse than the attys. Is there a way of testing the battery voltage without dismantling? I have a multimeter. |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 2, 2012 14:08:01 GMT
Roast lamb and mint sauce! Roast beef monster munch! Now ya talking! Big mac flavour! If these were ever possible i would never eat again! |
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Post by gizmondothefirst on Feb 2, 2012 13:32:51 GMT
Hi again My issues with cartos continues and yesterday found that using SR cartos and DCs (1.5 ohm x 2) my 510 1100mah battery (1 week old) lasted about 4 hours. When replaced with another fresh battery it lasted about the same amount of time!?! Using the attys and carts that came with my starter kit the battery would be well into the latter half of the second day before dying - both batteries demonstrated this. Yesterday i did spend a lot of time trying to find that sweet spot with my cartos (and failing) so did vape more than i normally would've, but not by 2 or 3 times more, so the only conclusion i can come up with is either my batteries are starting to fail (unlikely based on their age and the fact they both displayed the same problem at the same time) or the cartos are draining the battery massively. I am finding that i have to press the burn button for about 5 seconds to get any kind of decent vape from the cartos instead of about 3 or 4 seconds on the atty. For the amount i vaped yesterday i reckon the batteries should have lasted easily more than the day. Whats the general consensus? Ps. Sorry to be a pain in the ass  |
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Just wondering if anyone else has had similar change in drinking patterns.
