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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 16:13:51 GMT
I see they have sold one, probably a guy from China  why would the Chinese need to buy one, they already know the full specs because someone asked them to create the production run .... clones are just the Friday run as everyone is preparing for an early finish and travel home that's why any competent company (unlike apple) contracts the factory and pays for it to be operated Tuesday to Wednesday to create their product and collects the finished production runs on Thursday evening giving themselves the leverage of not paying to create the QA rejects aside from that the idea of an everlasting coil sounds promising and I would expect a reworking of the design to allow for a top fill tank with the atty being inverted removing the need for a wick and thus providing the one item that replaces all the others (no doubt this will be bought up by BAT or similar big bucks company and become the defacto product for licensing as a disposable mass market tank in the future) |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 16:09:47 GMT
How will this affect those companies like Joose Juice who can mix to order, ie different PG/VG ratios and extra flavourings etc. they will need to fill out the notification consultation to get that clarified, but the current direction would appear to suggest that every fixed % would require a notification page .... utterly ridiculous (the only thing should be the concentrate mix with a vg/pg range from 100/0>0/100% mixes but the pharma companies wont wear that), another option for them would be to make up the concentrate and supply the nic as a flavourless "one shot" actually there could be another way round this, they could do 1 notification for the flavour mix, one each for vg/nic and pg/nic and none for the vg/pg "filler" then supply an empty bottle of the right size (30ml/50ml/100ml) the filler and the concentrate are "unregulated" in terms of size because of zero nic, the instructions are then supplied with the kit to pour the various parts into the supplied container and leave in the cupboard for a week, that way the % variations don't require new notification filings for each variation supplied and they don't need to stop offering the bespoke service theres probably rom within the current consultation on the costs and amount of filings to be made though to ensure the simpler approach is taken that allows the formula to specify nothing more than flavour % used with pg/vg ranged from 0/100>100/0 and nic ranged from 0>20mg/ml which will reduce t he workload and staffing costs for the MHRA and still provide the actual service required by uk consumers at a cost the company can bear without massively affecting their operating costs. |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:56:58 GMT
only the person mixing the juice has to file the paperwork, if the formula changes due to supplier changes then you submit a variation notice which is £100, exactly how the version definition will be broken down will be divulged later but from the looks of the documents relased this far it would appear you would only need to supply 1 notification per formula and then add the words "various nic levels from zero to 20mg", if for instance your juice is 50/50 then that isn't going to change because you added some nic to it, your juice will just have some nic in it, the concentrate mix will still be the same % the vg and pg will be the same % giving the same total % of each thing regardless of the nic strength (how you mix it up might vary but not by much) the notification system seems geared directly at making sure SME's can afford it by keeping it cheap and simple How will this affect those companies like Joose Juice who can mix to order, ie different PG/VG ratios and extra flavourings etc. they will need to fill out the notification consultation to get that clarified, but the current direction would appear to suggest that every fixed % would require a notification page .... utterly ridiculous (the only thing should be the concentrate mix with a vg/pg range from 100/0>0/100% mixes but the pharma companies wont wear that), another option for them would be to make up the concentrate and supply the nic as a flavourless "one shot" |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:52:24 GMT
I just received this email... A public consultation on the proposed introduction of fees to recover the cost of MHRA’s regulatory activity for E-Cigarettes under the revised EU Tobacco Products Directive has been launched today at the following link: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/regulatory-fees-for-e-cigarettes The consultation will run for three weeks only and we would be grateful for responses to be sent to consultations@mhra.gsi.gov.uk by close of business on 29 January 2016 please. Unfortunately due to the very tight timelines we are working to, it will not be possible to entertain any late submissions. A response proforma is contained within the consultation document. damn they will require product notifications for all tanks at least there not going to ask for notifications for all the spare parts or indeed for the mod's well that makes it better to a degree, although just exactly how are they planning to get the likes of aspire ismoka or smok or kanger etc to comply it might be a good idea if they were to contact those companies directly to get their input, I suspect this will lead to a contraction in the number of products being marketed and certainly in the number of vape shops that are direct importing gear from overseas if the manufacturers wont fund the registrations. |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:32:52 GMT
For EACH juice and variation of that juice. 0 nic, 3mg, 6mg, 9mg, 12mg, 18mg = £1200 per juice. If a supplier changes the flavour start again Unless, I am reading this wrong. only the person mixing the juice has to file the paperwork, if the formula changes due to supplier changes then you submit a variation notice which is £100, exactly how the version definition will be broken down will be divulged later but from the looks of the documents relased this far it would appear you would only need to supply 1 notification per formula and then add the words "various nic levels from zero to 20mg", if for instance your juice is 50/50 then that isn't going to change because you added some nic to it, your juice will just have some nic in it, the concentrate mix will still be the same % the vg and pg will be the same % giving the same total % of each thing regardless of the nic strength (how you mix it up might vary but not by much) the notification system seems geared directly at making sure SME's can afford it by keeping it cheap and simple |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:22:22 GMT
Hi Guys and Gals, If you had £500.00 to spend solely on a Mod and Tank what setup would you buy? This is just a hypothetical question, its good to know what top end gear is out there. Cheers Tsoko either something for under £100 five times with spares enough to keep it on the road for a long time or more likely I would just buy something like the tfv4 with a dna200 mod and a handful of batteries and keep the change for another day / |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:17:55 GMT
well the harmonisation idea seems ot have rather gone out the door on this one given the response, there claiming that the rest of the EU will do what it wants and were going to do it our way, but then lots of noises over the last few weeks have been suggesting that far from chasing better harmony the UK is edging closer to brexit whilst still keeping a toe in the pool, I rather suspect they will permit the selling of equipment "not for use with nicotine products" so long as they give the cover of "must not be sold for use with nicotine products" on the packaging, the big thing will as you suggest be the refill containers, the proposal suggested they were looking at 10ml nic liquid bottles with a drip tip constructed of PET where the drip tip was not removable rather than the completely sealed tank units, and still allowing consumers to purchase unflavoured nic in the 20mg/10ml bottles at the shop (but I bet a moulded bottle will be a bugger to fill with a syringe) which would suggest there hoping people will stick that into their nic free 50ml juice bottles I don't believe that unremovable must mean one piece moulded bottles, they could be ratchet caps like all drinks but without the section the breaks easily. I was just going by the picture I saw on one of the EU tpd pages it had a blow moulded bottle which included the tip as part of its construction and a secondary picture with he push fit button top ones with a red line through them, I suspect that is because a certain pharma company has a patent on that particular bottle not that it will mean anything, as soon as I got it home I'd chop the top off and put it in a decent container ...... but given how much of the regulations they have opted to side step (at least for now) then I expect you could be right |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:14:49 GMT
ZERO NIC juice will need to be tested FFS it says notification only, that means you must pay £200 up front with some paperwork detailing your juice and then £60 a year to be allowed to market the stuff, the basic nic free juice only need be submitted for testing once (unless the formula changes) and if you change the formula you have to spend another 100£ on updating the notification page, making it a very cost effective way to get a new "safe" product to the market and have the consumer base know its safe and the testing side was always going to happen once the FSA/LA figured out who's job it was to fund the testing (so it might be free for small businesses) |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 15:08:45 GMT
well the harmonisation idea seems ot have rather gone out the door on this one given the response, there claiming that the rest of the EU will do what it wants and were going to do it our way, but then lots of noises over the last few weeks have been suggesting that far from chasing better harmony the UK is edging closer to brexit whilst still keeping a toe in the pool, I rather suspect they will permit the selling of equipment "not for use with nicotine products" so long as they give the cover of "must not be sold for use with nicotine products" on the packaging,
the big thing will as you suggest be the refill containers, the proposal suggested they were looking at 10ml nic liquid bottles with a drip tip constructed of PET where the drip tip was not removable rather than the completely sealed tank units, and still allowing consumers to purchase unflavoured nic in the 20mg/10ml bottles at the shop (but I bet a moulded bottle will be a bugger to fill with a syringe) which would suggest there hoping people will stick that into their nic free 50ml juice bottles
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 14:57:40 GMT
that's the only place I could find that actually has stock listed for sale, which then begs the question how has some guy on ebay managed to get hold of 8 patent pending devices when the product manufactuer claims their device will be up for sale in a few months ?
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 14:18:22 GMT
so the response seems to indicate that non nicotine equipment and juice will not be covered by the TPD, which in turn would suggest that so long as you state "nic free" or "not for use with products containing nicotine" on reviews or products there will be zero restrictions once the TPD is implemented ....which in turn would infer that so long as the banner on the page was changed to indicate that we are a nic free web group and that mixology was hidden as a mixers department only subgroup very little would need ot change if at all.....
damn that's some harsh product picture changes though (adding a watermark to every product image "this device is not for use with nicotine products") to effectively side step the TPD
it seems like far from complying with the TPD the uk government is side stepping 90% of its intended implications, that's some fancy politicking right there.
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Post by nanotm on Jan 8, 2016 1:22:20 GMT
WOW!! nice supply. I went from 18 to 12 and now I'm on 6...and the vape is in my hand constantly. I can't imagine how much I'd have to vape with 88% less nic in my tank. ETA: 30 ml a day (duh)... I use ~100 ml a month @6. Cheers I you'd be surprised, i constanly have at least one of the 4 tanks i stroll through each day running a zero nic juice current one is a cookies n cream mix in a subtank, with a 12mg menthol nic juice in a mini nauti a 3mg chocolate fudge brownie in a subtank and a custard in a mini nauti @0, i haven't been going theoug the zero juices any faster than i was when they were nic juices (i tc the subtanks, and use the rba in the nauti's) for me its still fun and I've just recived a crius in the post (still waiting on the batts to run the mod with though...) |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 7, 2016 15:25:53 GMT
I won't be going for that particular one nanotm as it is too short for my tastes but if I can find one at about 20mm long, I will get it and report back. Thanks for your input. ok well on seeing your reply I decided to give this a try www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rainbow-Stainless-Steel-POM-Drip-Tip-for-510-Atomisers-/281879234105?hash=item41a14fc639:g:SrgAAOSwNphWZu2Dits double the height of the other one so maybe worth a punt, I noticed that the liquids I use tend to produce a lot of blobs and I hate them in my gob so I have been struggling with a narrow bore angled unit for the last few weeks (well when trying to sub ohm at least, they work perfectly for the mini nauti tanks) ok my rainbow drip tip arrived this morning and it works great on the subtank but its strange on the nautilus mini, which reminds me I must stop putting 12mg nic juice in the subtank it makes my head spin like when you take the first fag of the day feeling ... anyhow its effective at blob stopping though I have no idea how it works but the tip itself gets warm |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 7, 2016 14:01:13 GMT
this is getting ridiculous now, the batts were marked as dispatched on 18th of December, on the 24th of December I ordered a mod, both items were marked as dispatched by the same postage the mod arrived this morning (having been dispatched a week later than the batts) the bats are still somewhere en route... wanna bet they don't arrive until after the half dozen or so other items I ordered direct from china on the 2nd of jan do ? The batteries will be coming surface mail whereas your mod would have come airmail, expect the batteries in about a weeks time. There is no way that a surface mail item would have come that quick, are you sure the mod wasn't from the EU warehouse? ahh now I hadn't thought of that being the reason for the time difference .....but I'm pretty sure the koopor plus was only listed as being at the Chinese warehouse / |
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Post by nanotm on Jan 7, 2016 13:39:21 GMT
lobeydosserahh fair enough have you tried doing some rotator exercises to limber up before trying the fine work ? I used to do them all the time but now most of my shake symptoms are because I forgot to take something
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