Labelling on Eliquid bottles . . .

[Perpetua]

Splitting out the discussion from a review thread, as it applies to any and all eliquid, not just the ' made to order ' juices.

Oct 15, 2012 22:07:02 GMT lobeydosser said:

I do wish those that make and sell e-juices would do the steeping before they send them out.
IE, they should be ready for use before they leave the retailer.
There is nothing worse than recieving a product, any product, that cannot be enjoyed immediately and ofcourse there is no instructions on the bottles to this effect.

Tobaccos and fruit flavours require different steeping times and also some types require caps off while others, caps on. The maker will know what is best for his/her products.

As more people become e-cig minded and send for e-juices to try, they will not be too chuffed with the taste if they try them out immediately and not know that they need to steep them. Indeed it could put them off e-cigs for ever.

It's a difficult one I think Lobey, do you hang onto a customer's order waiting for a juice to steep . . . or do you dispatch it in a timely manner, as we've all come to expect from our Vendor's.

[lobeydosser]

I do understand the wish for some sellers to make e-juices to order and their wish to send out orders quickly, but it is only through reading the many topics on AAEC and then trying to make up juices myself that I found out how much e-juices can change/improve by different methods and lengths of time, of steeping.

However, it was ONLY through reading and studying the topics here, that I learned the how's and why's to do this.

In the future, many newbies will be coming into e-cigs and e-juices straight off the fags or via pre-filled cartomisers and will have no experience of steeping or understand the need for it.

Once an e-juice leaves the seller, he or she has no idea as to who will eventually be using that e-juice and it could well be that someone is buying it for a christmas present for another. IE, someone who has not read the website instructions or is completely new to the e-cig experience.

If products require steeping times etc, then they must be clearly labelled as such or the information given on a leaflet to accompany the juices.

We all want Frogster and his compatriots to succeed and give us more choices, but please remember that for everyone who are members of discussion forums like AAEC, there are 10 more who are not and so, what is printed on the label is the only instructions that they have.

[Skwoddy]

Oct 16, 2012 0:16:18 GMT lobeydosser said:

I do understand the wish for some sellers to make e-juices to order and their wish to send out orders quickly, but it is only through reading the many topics on AAEC and then trying to make up juices myself that I found out how much e-juices can change/improve by different methods and lengths of time, of steeping.

However, it was ONLY through reading and studying the topics here, that I learned the how's and why's to do this.

In the future, many newbies will be coming into e-cigs and e-juices straight off the fags or via pre-filled cartomisers and will have no experience of steeping or understand the need for it.

Once an e-juice leaves the seller, he or she has no idea as to who will eventually be using that e-juice and it could well be that someone is buying it for a christmas present for another. IE, someone who has not read the website instructions or is completely new to the e-cig experience.

If products require steeping times etc, then they must be clearly labelled as such or the information given on a leaflet to accompany the juices.

We all want Frogster and his compatriots to succeed and give us more choices, but please remember that for everyone who are members of discussion forums like AAEC, there are 10 more who are not and so, what is printed on the label is the only instructions that they have.

I think this belongs on the vendors board to be honest, we cant throw anything at froggy as he has all the posts covered as far as I can see.

[Skwoddy]

I'm confused as to wether this is an attack on Froggy or vendors in general. I seen all the disclaimers on his emails, invoices and on his website, you quote that so called newbies might be somewhat nieve when it comes to allowing enough time to steep yet you fail to heed all the warnings yourself when they are clearly there.

Apart from a personal visit by Froggy with delivery of the juices and being hand held through the process Im unsure of what else he can do.

You also state that there are many reasons why your taste experience is different to someone else's when you understand that taste is subjective. even though the suggested steeping time hasnt been reached.

Sorry Lobey, I think youre a little out of line on this.

[greendollar]

I have to agree with Lobey on this one .

If Frogsters serious about this e-juice selling business then I will have to demand that I have my own little cubby hole in the lab with bottles of juice I've previously ordered , ready steeped for when I order again , if , after 6 months I have not re-ordered then by all means put them on general sale .... grrrr I'm not happy the postmans walked straight past my house .

[womble]

I received some today with the made date on them, I don't believe I've had this before.

And some people ought to realise we haven't all got 20/20 vision, I can't even read some of my bottles. >

[Brian]

Some of the larger vendors have so many different flavoured juices, with varying pg/vg ratios, nicotine strengths, that they tend to make orders/liquids to order.

Put this way: If a vendor carries 50 flavours. 10 ratios of PG/VG, thats 500, then factor in nicotine at anything from zero to 36..... thats a lot of stock to keep on a shelf. 5000 maybe, and thats to cover just one bottle of each.



There is only so much description can be written on a tiny label.

All labeling has to be CHIP compliant, with warnings and contents, by law. Anything else, apart from vendors name, juice name etc, will make it too small to be legible.

[Roger]

If I ordered juice from someone like Frogster/Griz/Pixie, it states clearly on the websites:

Pixie:
Steeping.

Almost all our juice is good to vape as soon as it arrives. It takes 24-48hrs to steep which will have passed by the time it has reached you. The only exception is where it clearly states on the product page and bottle of e-liquid how long it needs to steep for from the born date on the label on the bottle. We recommend you follow the steeping suggestion to get the best from our juices.

Grizwald:
Grizwalds Recipes are made to order and will be despatched within 48 hours of your order being placed. We recommend that you allow the e-liquid to rest for 24/48 hours before vaping to allow the flavours to blend fully.

Froggy:

The Alchemist advises that you allow time for the flavours to develop and mature, this can be achieved by simply storing them between a few days to a week before use. This allows the flavour to reach its optimum.

All perfectly clear. If the purchaser, whether a noob, or a more experienced vaper can't be bothered to read about what they are buying then 'Caveat Emptor'

[VE Jason]

With regard to the bottles - theres a lot of information to fit on, so it just wouldn't be practical



Also, some flavours require resting/steeping and some don't, so again that would mean individual labels.

[booblay]

I'm with Lobey here too, though I can understand why vendors might need to do it this way.

I think my one problem with Grizwalds is it says 24/48 hours, but some of those juices, in my opinion, need more like a week, sometimes even two (though not all - strawberry ice cream is good to go almost straight away).

If nothing's to be done, then I guess us eager vapers need to do more forward planning and just be patient.....but it's hard to do this if you're broke, like me, and can only order stuff on payday....

I don't think lobey was having a go....just bringing up a valid point. I've always wondered why grizwalds and pixies etc don't make batches of the most popular juices and store them for a bit.

But then I'm not a mixer so I don't know the details.

Frogster? What's your input? You'll know more than most of us.

[Deleted]

"If nothing's to be done, then I guess us eager vapers need to do more forward planning and just be patient.....but it's hard to do this if you're broke, like me, and can only order stuff on payday...."

i think forward planning would be a great idea, (pre-orders) place an order 2 weeks prior to your payday and ask the vendor to make the juices up & put aside for you, give them a date & pay on your payday. but obviously you cant let your vendor down

[VE Jason]

Oct 16, 2012 14:43:08 GMT booblay said:

I'm with Lobey here too, though I can understand why vendors might need to do it this way.

I think my one problem with Grizwalds is it says 24/48 hours, but some of those juices, in my opinion, need more like a week, sometimes even two (though not all - strawberry ice cream is good to go almost straight away).

If nothing's to be done, then I guess us eager vapers need to do more forward planning and just be patient.....but it's hard to do this if you're broke, like me, and can only order stuff on payday....

The 24/48 hours was always meant as a sort of general guide rather than a definitive.

A lot depends on when someone orders, for example orders made friday evening will still be prepared and ready for Saturday even if they aren't going out until Monday. So they will be ready to use a lot quicker than an order placed at 6am this morning which will be in the hands of the customer tomorrow morning.

Mixing in advance isn't really an option because of all the strength variants and the fact that it is sold as freshly mixed.

[Ellen]

I'm sorry Sadie, that may work for vendors who use forums etc, but most vendors wouldn't do that, you wouldn't ask Tesco or any other business to prepare and hold onto an item until your payday for you. That's a lot of extra work for the vendor. Keeping track of who has to pay when, you may be lucky if they do it as a one off, but it's unlikely they would do it on a regular basis

[matty198111]

plus if they kept all the premade juice in a locked cupboard for a week or so
where would griz sleep

[Brian]

If you want a juice thats guaranteed ready to vape. Order from China, slow mail!

On a more serious note.
I dont know why vendors dont send juices 2nd class mail. Cheaper for all concerned, and RM can do the steeping for us.