Almost ready to order....

[jerryrm]

Wotsit, there is no such thing as a stupid question.....except when someone asks at what time does the midnight sale start. LOL

[jason]

Feb 3, 2011 20:23:43 GMT wotsit said:

Hiya Jason

I bougt a Riva 510 kit from LF just a few weeks ago and it DOES come with a plug thing so you can plug you bat into the wall socket.

Thanks Wotsit. Makes the decision even easier.

Agreed about the big pharma/tobacco companies, but can't one of the cigarette cos., say, Marlboro, get into manufacturing e-cigs big time? Imagine, with their financial clout, they can put ALL current suppliers out of business as well as earn goodwill of the public?

[Perpetua]

I can't offer any better advice than has already been given Jason, so I'll just say - a warm welcome from me, good luck and any questions just ask away.

[jerryrm]

Feb 3, 2011 21:27:32 GMT jason said:

Feb 3, 2011 20:23:43 GMT wotsit said:

Hiya Jason

I bougt a Riva 510 kit from LF just a few weeks ago and it DOES come with a plug thing so you can plug you bat into the wall socket.

Thanks Wotsit. Makes the decision even easier.

Agreed about the big pharma/tobacco companies, but can't one of the cigarette cos., say, Marlboro, get into manufacturing e-cigs big time? Imagine, with their financial clout, they can put ALL current suppliers out of business as well as earn goodwill of the public?

They probably will get into manufacturing e-cigs, Jason. I don't have any inside information, but I bet they are testing a model now. From a business point of view, why should they get into the middle of the fight that is going on now.

They are probably just waiting for the dust to settle and the other suppliers to disappear, so they can have the market all to themselves, with FDA and NHS approval, of course.

[l15a]

Hi Jason and welcome :-)

[jason]

Ordered the Riva 510 Thursday night and got it today morning - so excellent shipping from LF.

However, disappointment, panic and probably lack of patience. I poured in 12-14 drops of 'Home-Counties 24mg' and the first few drags were awful - I guess this is because of the primer on the atty? It also left a disgusting smell in the room and earned the wrath of the wife and son who ordered me out of the house immediately

After a few more drags, the taste has improved somewhat but vapour production is low (well, lower than what I've seen people getting on videos on youtube). I read on the LF forum that attys take 1-2 days to reach peak performance and I'm holding on to that hope. Am I being too impatient??

The reason I'm worried is that the previous e-cig I was using had a similar vapour quantity and taste as this one, and that was a regular battery. Initially, I went down to 4 analogues with that but after 3-4 days, the nicotine craving stopped getting relieved even with a fully charged battery and new cartridge. The analogue numbers started creeping up and went back to 18 yesterday To be fair, their carts were of 12 mg strength.

So, the panic is that even with a 24mg strength and a much better e-cig, would I be ale to get off anaogues? Comfort me please, people.

[Pinhead]

Stick with it!

Many atties have a primer fluid in them which tastes like tramps pants! Give them a good blow through and top up again.

Also, did you drop a couple of drips onto the atty bridge before you fired up? If you didn't, do it now before you try using it again and give it a minute or two to soak. If you've badly burnt the wick by dry frying it, you may never get rid of the taste from that atty.

And yes is the answer to your question... you'll just vape more until your body finds it's comfortable nicotine level.

Good luck!

Sean

[camperman]

Feb 5, 2011 14:10:36 GMT Pinhead said:

Stick with it!

Many atties have a primer fluid in them which tastes like tramps pants! Give them a good blow through and top up again.

Also, did you drop a couple of drips onto the atty bridge before you fired up? If you didn't, do it now before you try using it again and give it a minute or two to soak. If you've badly burnt the wick by dry frying it, you may never get rid of the taste from that atty.

And yes is the answer to your question... you'll just vape more until your body finds it's comfortable nicotine level.

Good luck!

Sean

what worries me the most is how you know what tramps pants taste like
as sean says always give new atties a blow out first ive also bought some flavourless juice to put through first (just a few drops) so it will take any bad taste/smell away from the attie and its also good for when youve cleaned/boiled the attie out as adding a few drops stops any corosion if your storing it for any length of time.

[jason]

Thanks for the quick responses, guys. I blew through the atty and then poured 3 drops in as suggested. Waited and put the cart back in. No joy - still the bad taste and very little vapour

Interestingly, when I pulled the cart out, the filling was stuck inside the atty and I had to pull it out manually and put back in the cart. So looks like I have burnt the filler? How can I avoid it the next time? Any more suggestions?

Thanks once again.

[Pinhead]

Was the top of the filler wet when you put the cart on the atty? If not, then yep, you've burnt it. Try a fresh cart, making sure the filler is wet, not sticking over the top of the cart and that you've put a drop or two on the atty. The filler can be replaced... do a google for e-cig tea bag mod (seriously!).

If it's no better, then I'm out of ideas for you... unless you have a bad batch of juice.

But the most important thing... stick with it! As has been said to me many times here...

Don't count the cigarettes you smoke - count the ones you don't!

Sean

[ken]

Feb 5, 2011 14:58:32 GMT jason said:

Thanks for the quick responses, guys. I blew through the atty and then poured 3 drops in as suggested. Waited and put the cart back in. No joy - still the bad taste and very little vapour

Interestingly, when I pulled the cart out, the filling was stuck inside the atty and I had to pull it out manually and put back in the cart. So looks like I have burnt the filler? How can I avoid it the next time? Any more suggestions?

Thanks once again.

Jason, if the filling was stuck inside the atty then you may have it too proud and its got burnt causing the bad taste.

I love the 510 atties but they do not wick well in my experience and thats why I drip.

Suggestion: Take the filler out of the cart, put three drops of liquid into the atty and replace the empty cart.
You should be able to vape without the burnt taste.
If this is successful and you like it you will have become a dripper.
If this is not successful then there is either someting wrong with the atty or your juice is off.

Ken.

[jason]

Sean, yes, the top of the filler was wet. I'll try a new cart and let you know.

Kenny, do you mean by 'dripping' that there is juice on the atty with only an empty cart, without any filling, on top of it? how long would the 3 drops last this way, I wonder?

Another thought about the low vapour volume - I'm trying this on the 2nd battery while the first one is charging (I couldn't wait for the recommended 8 hrs charging for the first time ). Maybe the battery i'm using doesn't have enough 'juice' to produce the promised volumes of vapour? (sorry for giving info piecemeal)

Thanks
Jason

[ken]

Feb 5, 2011 15:39:04 GMT jason said:

Sean, yes, the top of the filler was wet. I'll try a new cart and let you know.

Kenny, do you mean by 'dripping' that there is juice on the atty with only an empty cart, without any filling, on top of it? how long would the 3 drops last this way, I wonder?

Another thought about the low vapour volume - I'm trying this on the 2nd battery while the first one is charging (I couldn't wait for the recommended 8 hrs charging for the first time ). Maybe the battery i'm using doesn't have enough 'juice' to produce the promised volumes of vapour? (sorry for giving info piecemeal)

Thanks
Jason

Kenny, do you mean by 'dripping' that there is juice on the atty with only an empty cart, without any filling, on top of it? how long would the 3 drops last this way, I wonder?

Yes Jason, this is what I mean but no more than three drops and it would do no harm before you drip to try a small draw first in case your atty is flooded.

Three drips will do me half an hour, but I only take 3 second draws. Some people say 10 minutes, depends on how you use it really. You will know when you need to drip more as the taste will change to a burnt taste if you leave it too late.

The secret with practice is to notice the taste change before you get the burnt taste.

Hope this helps.

Ken.

[Tetsab]

Hi Jason. Just skipped through your posts and sadly I think your earlier comment about lack of patience being involved with this may have some merit, so if things still aren't going well I'd suggest you rewind a little and to some extent start all over again. Please don't hate me!!

First off, the Riva batteries hold an awful lot more power than the supermini ones. They should last you much, much longer from each charge, and with luck (as they won't have to work as hard as tiny batteries) could also last you several months of recharging. I do appreciate that 8 hours is a long time to wait before using a new piece of kit when it arrives but it is quite important to look after these batteries and basically the extra-long initial charge is recommended by virtually all suppliers. Subsequent charges will not take anything like 8 hours, it is only the first time you charge them you need to do this.

To keep you from fretting too much while your battery charges, had you thought of trying out your new liquid in your old supermini e-cig? I'm not familiar with your model but even if it has very small cartridges there may still be some way you can reach the filler and top it up with your new Home Counties juice.

As long as you can get even a few drops into the cartridge filler this would give you a chance to see how the juice itself tastes and what the difference in strength feels like to you. There may be some mixing of whatever flavour the cart originally contained for the first few puffs but after that you should get the new flavour coming through. If nothing else, it will allow you to have some idea of what it should be tasting like when you try using the Riva again with a fully-charged new battery.

While you're doing that, I don't think it would be a terrible idea to leave your new 510 atomiser standing up on a sheet or two of kitchen towel to drain, cartridge off, battery connection end uppermost. That way if it has become flooded it definitely won't be when you start to use it again. It might even be a positive advantage if it has been flooded as the extra juice might help to carry out any remaining nasty-tasting primer.

If on the other hand all is now going fine, feel free to ignore all of the above!! (One exception - I still think both new batteries should have an 8-hour charge each if at all possible) Welcome to the world of vaping, Jason - trust me, it really IS worth sticking with it through the steep part of the learning curve! All the best.

[hissie]

Welcome Jason to out wonderful vaping village

I have copied & pasted a post by me re: atties.

When I first use an attie, I blow out all the primer fluid, then screw it on to the battery and dry burn for a few seconds. Then I put about 3 drops onto the wick, add the cart which I've filled with about 10 drops of juice & puff on it as if I'm lighting a pipe. After a few puffs, the attie starts to work well without any burning taste or other issues.

I only really have two atties on rotate at anyone time, that way I can keep a better check on how they are working. I also blow them out every night before bed and place them upright on a piece of paper towel.

There is a bone of contention on blowing out atties, I always blow mine out via the open end & any juice comes out of the screw in end. I also make sure that the screw in bit of the battery is free of juice too by just running a cotton bud round it.

You also need sure you don't have any filling sticking to far above the cartridge as this will touch the attie and burn, which isn't nice.