Quick comment on todays EU TPD meeting

[kibbster]

Feb 26, 2013 9:05:26 GMT GunJack said:

more typical, uninformed, illogical, unreasoned quasi-politico-boll0cks, if I can say that on here

You just did and you are correct

[GunJack]

^^ that's ok then

[Sandra (aka Chillax)]

You are right Gunjack, they get right up my nose with the stupid comments

[Matt Gluggles]

This was my take on the public meeting

ecignews.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/euro-madness-tpd-public-hearing-to-ban.html

[MarkS]

I'd say your take is pretty much spot on glugger.
Took the liberty of sharing it.

[jakethevape]

I am sorry but to become unconceouse from Nic OD would take nonstop vaping for a long time even at high nic levels. What a insane remark.

Well to the flip side, I could decide to smoke 10 cigs at once in every possible place on my body and I MAY just pass out..... what a bunch of nanny state S**t heads. Pardon my profanity.

[ChillerVapes]

So I guess this is the end of vaping then?

I somehow feel we are all up shit creek without a paddle.

CAN WE NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS????

[jakethevape]

Feb 27, 2013 16:43:47 GMT ChillerVapes said:

So I guess this is the end of vaping then?

I somehow feel we are all up shit creek without a paddle.

CAN WE NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS????

Somehow make BILLIONS of £s in a matter of days unlawfully killing people for profit like the tobaco companies? or maybe on the flip side the pharma companies who are backed by the very people in the tobacco comapanies getting rich from people diying to then go to get better making the pharma companeis richer..... the circle goes on. =/

[meeee]

Feb 27, 2013 16:43:47 GMT ChillerVapes said:

So I guess this is the end of vaping then?

I somehow feel we are all up shit creek without a paddle.

CAN WE NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS????

yep I think you are probably right

[Karma]

Feb 27, 2013 16:43:47 GMT ChillerVapes said:

CAN WE NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS????

Yes write to your MP and your MEP!  You could even enclose this

ecita.org.uk/a4%202%20sided%20handout%20feb%202013.pdf

[brysoni23]

The reason it will be controlled is because they will loose far too much money if everyone vaped and stopped buying cigs and tobacco.

Here is what will happen: (well my view on it)

Vendors will be restricted to what nicotine they can sell. Let’s say 6mg per 10ml.

Companies like Lambert and butler, Marlborough etc will bring out there own versions of E-Liquid. We can buy this at the counter just like cigs now.

They will charge us more money depending on the nicotine strength.
eg. 10ml of 20mg Marlbrough = £6.00. 10ml of 36mg = £7.50.

The government will then take VAT and Tax.

Once the government have there foot in the door they will invite NHS onboard and say how good it is for us to Vape.
NHS will advise us to buy the e-liquid instead of cigs because they are healthy there will be a huge craze for vaporizing and analogues and tobacco will be priced out of the market as the e-liquid is cheaper to make and they will make more money on it.

[ChillerVapes]

Feb 27, 2013 16:50:26 GMT Karma said:

Feb 27, 2013 16:43:47 GMT ChillerVapes said:

CAN WE NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS MADNESS????

Yes write to your MP and your MEP!  You could even enclose this

ecita.org.uk/a4%202%20sided%20handout%20feb%202013.pdf

In an ideal world, that would work but we live in a corrupt pile of crap ruled by money grabbing dicks who don't have the slightest idea of what it is like for people like you and me who live in the real world.

No matter how many letters etc we send them, they don't give a toss. They might pretend to care (unless your sending your letter to a Labour MP and you simply get an automated message back)but, the fact is the majority don't.

The very tiny minority who do attempt to fight our case will be like trying to take over North Korea with a pack of honey badgers.

The fact is, the EU knows the truth about ecigs and snuff but they also know that if every cigarette user switched to vaping or snuff they would be completely bankrupt.

Not only would they not get any revenue from the high tax on cigarettes, they would no longer get any funding from Big Farma for the NRT shite AND on top of that, people will be living longer costing more in the long run than smokers who die younger with smoking related illnesses.

[MarkS]

Feb 27, 2013 17:01:32 GMT ChillerVapes said:

Feb 27, 2013 16:50:26 GMT Karma said:

Yes write to your MP and your MEP!  You could even enclose this

ecita.org.uk/a4%202%20sided%20handout%20feb%202013.pdf

In an ideal world, that would work but we live in a corrupt pile of crap ruled by money grabbing dicks who don't have the slightest idea of what it is like for people like you and me who live in the real world.

No matter how many letters etc we send them, they don't give a toss. They might pretend to care (unless your sending your letter to a Labour MP and you simply get an automated message back)but, the fact is the majority don't.

The very tiny minority who do attempt to fight our case will be like trying to take over North Korea with a pack of honey badgers.

The fact is, the EU knows the truth about ecigs and snuff but they also know that if every cigarette user switched to vaping or snuff they would be completely bankrupt.

Not only would they not get any revenue from the high tax on cigarettes, they would no longer get any funding from Big Farma for the NRT shite AND on top of that, people will be living longer costing more in the long run than smokers who die younger with smoking related illnesses.

I tend to agree it is highly improbable that writing to your MEP/MP will have any real effect, but saying that if you don't do it, then it's impossible to have any effect at all.

It's got to be worth a try at least?

[djs]

Feb 26, 2013 9:05:26 GMT GunJack said:

more typical, uninformed, illogical, unreasoned quasi-politico-boll0cks, if I can say that on here

I agree.

The more I think about it the more mad I get.

It stands to reason that unless we've all missed something quite terrible, vaping is far safer than smoking.
Smoking should not really even be legal anymore (putting aside the obvious questions of rights), if the age restriction had been raised time and time again, we could be in a position now where nobody under the age of 35 could buy tobacco, or you had to apply for a license to purchase it, or something similarly "brave new world"....
- not that I necessarily think along those lines myself -

BUT, look where we are. Tobacco is GREAT for the economy, and made ever better as the price rises year on year. The money spent on treating smokers is far less than the money raised from tobacco. Non-smokers and all the healthy "I wear a halo" brigade can sit smugly in their ivory towers, safe in the knowledge that their pensions will benefit from the premature death of those of us that turned to smoking.

However, look at what it's doing to people. Especially lower classes and those who can least afford it. Even a medium habit must cost £1,000-2,000 a year....and it seems to me that people actually "admire" the attitude that says "let's make it more expensive and teach those stupid people a lesson".

and now, WE (that's everybody.....) has it within their grasp to allow an alternative to exist as an answer to the cost and health implications of smoking - and what's going to happen? It'll be banned. Not straight-up banned, but effectively banned by those that have the power to leave the status quo, but just can't help meddling on the most dubious of grounds.

I'd have thought that any logical politician will see the sense in actually doing nothing for once, and kicking the ball into touch every time it comes back into play. Give it 3,4,5 years, allow information to gather and see where we stand.

45mg juice is not irresponsible in the hands of a 40 a day smoker, it may well save their life, or extend it greatly.

I see this issue as one of the biggest decisions in public health for many years.......

and what are people doing - making up their own minds? or just towing party lines? or simple being lazy and sucking up information from the last people we should be asking?

I accept the BMA can't really approve it - it's a no brainer, why approve something when not approving it (as an alternative) carries no risk, other than continuing to leave smokers to quit or die.

BUT saying their is "no evidence" as an argument for seeing it banned is just ludicrous.

JUST leave it be. Let people get on with it - smoking, vaping, NRT, whatever - give people choices and chances.....

[djs]

Just found this.

Now that people know that e-cigs can save 5 million deaths, anyone who takes steps to restrict them is guilty of a crime against humanity, and one day should be made to answer for their crimes.

WOW. That sums it up for me.

let me write it again.

"ANYONE who takes steps to restrict them is guilty of crime against humanity".

Sounds sensationalist, but that is exactly how I feel.