Another e cig study

[hgvroy]

Just been doing some digging around on the net, if you look at the citation part of this research the name Talbot P pops up



Citation: Williams M, Villarreal A, Bozhilov K, Lin S, Talbot P (2013) Metal and Silicate Particles Including Nanoparticles Are Present in Electronic Cigarette Cartomizer Fluid and Aerosol. PLoS ONE 8(3): e57987. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0057987

This is Prue Talbot, she has been spitting blood about smoking for years and is about as ANTIZ as you can get and lately she has turned her venom towards e cigs
www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2010/12/prue-talbot-junk-science-and-electronic-cigarettes.html

[hgvroy]

the plot thickens, doing some more digging another one of the authors of this is a Monique Williams, there is a Monique Williams who happens to be
Regional Senior CRA at i3 Research
i3 Research describes itself as "a global company that's helping shape the future of pharmaceutical products"

[gibla53]

Great find ........ the disinformation campaign has been spotted in this case !!! If only we had a fraction of the money to conduct totally unbiased research .

[hgvroy]

And another named author Sabrina Lin who has been doing research into passive smoking, which is fair enough but I smell a rat



www.nikoninstruments.com/en_GB/News/US-News/Congratulations-to-Sabrina-Lin-at-University-of-California-Riverside

[MarkS]

I just dismantled a BOGE and no solder although there may be a really tiny piece of copper.

The wadding is a little black in a place where I had burnt it dry, which was down to user error, but no green and it's been well used.

Will try and get a piccy up.

EDIT: See Pic Below!!!

[gibla53]

Google the lady in question .....PHD graduate student under the same Prue Talbot

[MarkS]

Err looks like I was wrong and more proof I need glasses.

There is quite a fair amount of solder on the BOGE and the wadding does have a faint tinge of green to it.



That's me and Carto's done with then!

[robby]

Mar 29, 2013 20:03:14 GMT MarkS said:

That's me and Carto's done with then!

Wow, that`s a lot of solder, me too   @marks

[matt1988]

Yeh I was going to buy a few cartos as I quite likes the vape experience of my e-lite. But I will now stay with clearos and attys.

[giles]

It is only the nickel that is higher than fags, nickel is low on the list of dangerous products, and total particles are a small fraction of those in cigarette smoke.

The involvement of Prue Talbot makes it all a bit questionable anyway, although I wouldn't complain about the others - I don't think we can dismiss research because the people who do it previously worked on anti-smoking stuff or for the pharma industry - these people have to learn the skills somewhere.

This won't stop me using cartos occasionally, but I agree that if you are happy with a Nova or whatever then that seems better.

[robby]

What would worry me a little is that I know that lead solder is banned in China but..................................

[MarkS]

A word to scientists.....don't do any studies on Evods....I don't want to know!!!

[hgvroy]

Mar 29, 2013 23:58:21 GMT giles said:

It is only the nickel that is higher than fags, nickel is low on the list of dangerous products, and total particles are a small fraction of those in cigarette smoke.

The involvement of Prue Talbot makes it all a bit questionable anyway, although I wouldn't complain about the others - I don't think we can dismiss research because the people who do it previously worked on anti-smoking stuff or for the pharma industry - these people have to learn the skills somewhere.

This won't stop me using cartos occasionally, but I agree that if you are happy with a Nova or whatever then that seems better.

Giles, as far as I can gather Monique Williams is still working for big pharma and was heavily involved with Prue Talbot in the experiments for this research which for me makes it bias, also in the few carto's here that have been pulled apart, none are anywhere near as bad as the ones shown in the research.
If anyone else has got any old carto's, pull them apart and report back and i would bet that we won't find any that are anywhere near the state of the ones shown in the experiments

[giles]

Mar 30, 2013 9:15:12 GMT hgvroy said:

If anyone else has got any old carto's, pull them apart and report back and i would bet that we won't find any that are anywhere near the state of the ones shown in the experiments

Probably not. It would be interesting to ask the researchers why only one brand was used and how it was selected. Still, MarkS's didn't look too good.

[womble]

It's a study I will take note of. I'm kinda happy the only thing touching my juice is Stainless steel.