E-cigarettes to be BANNED in MHRA statement - READ THIS NOW!

[kirrielad]

www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/research/why-e-cigarettes-should-not-and-cannot-be-regulated-as-medications

[vereybowring]

I am going to continue to write to any politician I can, try to meet with my MP and not just give up after having done it already. If you don't keep badgering them, they can continue to ignore you.
Yes a live event with vapers protesting is needed I agree.

As it happens VTTV has recently been advertising a large meet up of vapers in the north (N.E.E.S meet) and last night asked for everybody they can get to show up for it with the biggest brashest mods they have so they can get the media to come along and cover it.

[matt1988]

ECCA would be happy to fight for vapers everywhere. However what we need is someone who is willing (and able) to be put in front of a camera, microphone and give interviews. Unfortunately until we have someone to volunteer in that role, we simply cannot fulfill that side of it.

I am also all for vapers for jusctice or what ever, and SWOF and VTTV would be great people to perform that role for vapers. If someone steps forward for us, or have a seperate body doing it.

That's not a scapegoat response just we simply don't have anyone (outside the trade) that has put their name forward for this role.

[beeman]

When all said and done the powers that be already know exactly what will be happening in the years to come the road map has already been laid out.
The tobacco and phama companies know too the ecig products will already be in final stages of development and testing.
So all the letters and protest will fall on deaf ears. This is business and money nothing else.
Vaping for the masses as we know it are in the final days and nothing anyone does is going to change this fact.
When Billions of ££s are involved a few hundred thousand people screaming is no more than a drop in the ocean its sad to say.
The only thing we should be doing in carry on as normal stock up as much as possible to carry on vaping for as long as possible
4 or 5 litres a year stored up will see us all taken care of for many years to come more if you can afford to add more years.
The cost of smoking far exceeds the cost of stocking up I know many will say they can not afford to stock pile but we always found the money to buy fags how ever hard up we were! THE END IS COMING and it may arrive sooner than 31st December 2015

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 10:34:39 GMT kibbster said:

Jun 13, 2013 10:17:08 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Never seen VTTV

You should, it's very good and a great place to get all the upto date info on the EU/MHRA shenanigans as they happen.
Wed, Thurs and Sunday nights are the best for up to date EU talk and media stuff and I always try to catch them.
There's lots of other stuff on other nights from Juice and hardware reviews to tips on mixing and mod making etc.
It's a good resource with the team working very hard (and generally fighting technology... bless them )

I will try, but I am often out of the house between 8.30-10pm picking OH up from work. The only times I could see it is on his days off.

[vereybowring]

They have all their shows catalogued and can be played back afterwards on their site, youtube and itunes as well.
Really is worth a watch as was said especially VT Talk, The Haze Hour and Dave's Tackle Box as these are the shows that do the main pieces on current media coverage and trying to rally the troops.

EDIT: link to their video on demand, and facebook, the youtube channel - would give you the itunes one as well but I don't use it.

[Blownupdolly]

Geeeez beeman. Good job the suffragettes didnt have that attitude.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 10:38:32 GMT matt1988 said:

ECCA would be happy to fight for vapers everywhere. However what we need is someone who is willing (and able) to be put in front of a camera, microphone and give interviews. Unfortunately until we have someone to volunteer in that role, we simply cannot fulfill that side of it.

I am also all for vapers for jusctice or what ever, and SWOF and VTTV would be great people to perform that role for vapers. If someone steps forward for us, or have a seperate body doing it.

That's not a scapegoat response just we simply don't have anyone (outside the trade) that has put their name forward for this role.

Sadly, I wouldn't be any good. Diplomacy is not my strong point

[matt1988]

Blownupdolly every episode is on youtube it well worth a watch. I thibk they should have a weekly space on national telly

[Roger]

Jun 13, 2013 10:26:19 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Jun 13, 2013 10:21:54 GMT alanfinal said:

I agree when dolly said that the write to your MEP has been done,I am not in disagreement with it,but I could stand at a car meet and ask 30 members what they know about the situation and they will know what they saw on the news last night,that's where we need to be,marching through the streets to our MEP's banners in hand or 10 Downing street,newspapers and tv and radio contacted,so far the one thing I have supported whole heartily is the smoke without fire campaign,write your banners,PLEASE DONT LET MHRA KILL US and whatever else,get in the publics face,get on TV,don't quietly disappear along with what we have now and love.

Exactly my thoughts Alan. It had all been too wimpish so far.
Those in charge have little or no idea how precious all this is to us. How could they? Most people don't even know what it is we do!! That needs to change. Too much talk and not enough action.

I quite agree, but we need to do this in a rational way.  I don't think hysterical posts like the first one in this thread will help us at all.  I am surprised, I always thought Des was a logical, sensible sort of bloke. (That is NOT a dig by the way) I really think we need to maintain a calm approach, Unite and Fight.  We have 3 years, things will happen, legal challenges (as has happened in other countries) will be mounted.  I would like to see the ECCA reps from each forum work together and coordinate what will happen and how it will, otherwise we could end up with lots of little splinter groups trying, but achieving nothing.  At the moment we do have some time on our side, hopefully we will not go off half cocked and get nowhere.

[beeman]

Jun 13, 2013 10:43:31 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Geeeez beeman. Good job the suffragettes didnt have that attitude.

Trust me is that had Billions of £s involved for the bank Governments or business it would have been a different story

[collie2011]

Jun 13, 2013 10:40:03 GMT beeman said:

When all said and done the powers that be already know exactly what will be happening in the years to come the road map has already been laid out.
The tobacco and phama companies know too the ecig products will already be in final stages of development and testing.
So all the letters and protest will fall on deaf ears. This is business and money nothing else.
Vaping for the masses as we know it are in the final days and nothing anyone does is going to change this fact.
When Billions of ££s are involved a few hundred thousand people screaming is no more than a drop in the ocean its sad to say.
The only thing we should be doing in carry on as normal stock up as much as possible to carry on vaping for as long as possible
4 or 5 litres a year stored up will see us all taken care of for many years to come more if you can afford to add more years.
The cost of smoking far exceeds the cost of stocking up I know many will say they can not afford to stock pile but we always found the money to buy fags how ever hard up we were! THE END IS COMING and it may arrive sooner than 31st December 2015

That doesn't mean we should just lie down and take it though! It means you should still try, you should still fight and you should still exercise your right to speak up and be counted. A defeatist attitude won't get us anywhere, do you really want to just lie down and let them take stuff away from us? Do you really think they will stop there? Whether we are successful in stopping this or not, wouldn't you rather say "I tried to stop this" or would you rather say "I did nothing".

[alanfinal]

Three countries have overturned this,I doubt they did it by stocking up then giving up.

[Blownupdolly]

Absolutely right roger. If we plan it right pull everybody together from all forums we could muster quite a force to be reckoned with.
Just getting out on the streets, meeting people. I would even hand out leaflets at Downing Street!! (Best not swear at the policemen though)

[markm]

Jun 13, 2013 10:40:03 GMT beeman said:

When all said and done the powers that be already know exactly what will be happening in the years to come the road map has already been laid out.
The tobacco and phama companies know too the ecig products will already be in final stages of development and testing.
So all the letters and protest will fall on deaf ears. This is business and money nothing else.
Vaping for the masses as we know it are in the final days and nothing anyone does is going to change this fact.
When Billions of ££s are involved a few hundred thousand people screaming is no more than a drop in the ocean its sad to say.
The only thing we should be doing in carry on as normal stock up as much as possible to carry on vaping for as long as possible
4 or 5 litres a year stored up will see us all taken care of for many years to come more if you can afford to add more years.
The cost of smoking far exceeds the cost of stocking up I know many will say they can not afford to stock pile but we always found the money to buy fags how ever hard up we were! THE END IS COMING and it may arrive sooner than 31st December 2015

Yes I agree, this often how things do work, but not when the people say NO loud enough, look round the world
right now - there are a lot of people saying just that to their respective goventments on all sorts of issues.
As far as PV/E Cigs are concerned the normal script is being slowed, if not stopped, we need more volume.

We have two angles of attack:
The first and possibly the most important is spreading the word, get smokers to convert. Make sure fellow vapers
know the threat to this.

The second is showing those that get to cast the votes just how many people are affected, and how many more people
will become affected down the line.