E-cigarettes to be BANNED in MHRA statement - READ THIS NOW!

[Blownupdolly]

We have already splintered up with another thread started

[Jen]

Jun 13, 2013 11:04:17 GMT collie2011 said:

Jun 13, 2013 11:01:40 GMT Jen said:

Looks like we should be lawyering up somehow then, right?

A lawyer or barrister who understands this stuff on our side would be a great asset. Think of the twitter joke trial and the publicity raised from that through celebrities and the legal bod that won the case for him was found through twitter too. Social media is a powerful tool here.

Social media can be very powerful when used in the right way. I do believe that we need to shift this to the judicial and not legislative side of things, though. As has been said, governments are incredibly susceptible to business interests - the whole reason the MHRA wants to make ecigs medicinal is because only the big companies can afford to comply - that's lobbying for ya Whilst courts may not be wholly incorruptible, they at least do not have the same kind of interests as the government and are able to throw a big spanner in the works, as shown by Germany etc. I'd be happy to contribute to some kind of Kickstarter or similar project (which is where social media would come in), and I think we need to recruit some kind of high profile spokesperson or sponsor.

Anyone remember the great Oatmeal fundraisers? Here, here and here - both excellent examples of how to use social media to raise funds for a common cause, both of which I supported financially

So, my view would be to use social media to raise funds to pay the professionals to do this properly and take the fight away from the government and to the courts. Your thoughts?

[Blownupdolly]

Surely there must be a vaping lawyer somewhere.
Broadcast that on Twitter. Vaping lawyer wanted to help fight EU ban

[matt1988]

Or even a smoking lawyer that doesn't want his right to free choice taken away.

[womble]

Well Roger we are having the Northants meet on Saturday, we can all have a good natter about it then, try to come up with some local ideas.

I'm all for ECCA doing more and the more help ECCA get, the better.

Atm I think the advice is to email, snail mail (mp's really like letters) and meet your MP and MEP.

I don't think ECCA has any other action planned, but now we seem to have such a groundswell of support on here, you are all a great big asset ECCA needs to use.

I welcome any ideas. I've just rushed through this thread and probably haven't taken it all in. My pm box is always open to new post.

[Roger]

Yup, looking forward to Saturday.

[Deleted]

Just got a response from my MEP

Dear Sir/Madame.
Thank you for your e-mail.
I have drawn your concerns to the attention of Martin Callanan MEP, ECR shadow rapporteur on this file. Martin remains in close contact with the vaping community, both on an individual level and through community and trade associations, and understands vapers' concerns.
He informs me that he sees the great public health benefit to be gained from e-cigarettes, and shares the British Medical Association's opinion that while e-cigarettes (like any novel product) may present some concerns until more data on their use is available, they are nevertheless likely to be a much lower risk option than continuing to smoke. For this reason he is pushing to make e-cigarettes at least as easily available as tobacco cigarettes to encourage as many smokers as possible to make the switch.
Yours sincerely,
Marina Yannakoudakis, Conservative MEP for London

EDIT ... I asked her wtf is going on and wtf are the next steps outlining that the community are starting to panic ...

[Deleted]

I suggest you all go through your archived emails and reply back to them asking wtf is going on ... keep the dialogue going ... we need to show them that we object ... its easy ... get on with it and stopping posting cr@p on this thread ...

[susieshoes]

The issue of kids using these products is simple to solve.. No Ecigs or nic products to anyone under 18yrs of age.. The issue of nic delivery from ecig devices should also be an easy one to solve and would also solve the one of how much nic in juice, if the juices were tested as tobacco products must be now? I know it still leaves the "problem" (as they see it) of how many puffs someone takes but hells teeth how do you police that with tobacco as it stands? Or am I being dumb again?? 

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 13:54:17 GMT @ashmal said:

I suggest you all go through your archived emails and reply back to them asking wtf is going on ... keep the dialogue going ... we need to show them that we object ... its easy ... get on with it and stopping posting cr@p on this thread ...

When I'm ready!

[Banky]

Lord Sugar on Twitter, If Nicotine chewing gum,patches etc are ok to use by medical profession.Then E Cigarettes do exactly the same.Only difference is fake smoke.

[matt1988]

Jun 13, 2013 15:38:10 GMT Banky said:

Lord Sugar on Twitter, If Nicotine chewing gum,patches etc are ok to use by medical profession.Then E Cigarettes do exactly the same.Only difference is fake smoke.

Is he saying they should be medicinal or that doctors should suggest using them? Or is that just to get publicity and he couldn't care less lol.

[Banky]

Jun 13, 2013 16:07:18 GMT matt1988 said:

Jun 13, 2013 15:38:10 GMT Banky said:

Lord Sugar on Twitter, If Nicotine chewing gum,patches etc are ok to use by medical profession.Then E Cigarettes do exactly the same.Only difference is fake smoke.

Is he saying they should be medicinal or that doctors should suggest using them? Or is that just to get publicity and he couldn't care less lol.

Reading between the lines, I think he is saying e-cigs should be medical, and sitting back waiting for the money to roll in.

[kibbster]

Jun 13, 2013 19:12:02 GMT Banky said:

Jun 13, 2013 16:07:18 GMT matt1988 said:

Is he saying they should be medicinal or that doctors should suggest using them? Or is that just to get publicity and he couldn't care less lol.

Reading between the lines, I think he is saying e-cigs should be medical, and sitting back waiting for the money to roll in.

I get the impression he's saying the health professionals should be recommending e-cigs as well as patches and gums not implicit medicinal regulation.
Although we know that;s the only way that will happen.

[pegasus]

Jun 13, 2013 13:54:21 GMT susieshoes said:

The issue of kids using these products is simple to solve.. No Ecigs or nic products to anyone under 18yrs of age.. The issue of nic delivery from ecig devices should also be an easy one to solve and would also solve the one of how much nic in juice, if the juices were tested as tobacco products must be now? I know it still leaves the "problem" (as they see it) of how many puffs someone takes but hells teeth how do you police that with tobacco as it stands? Or am I being dumb again?? 

from what I can see it is really simple, nicotine that is used now is suspended  in pg or vg  this is the only control needed, if you vape at 11 watts or 3 watts, 3 volts or 100 volts 18mg is still 18mg.