Trying to properly understand mod basics

[Ancient Hermit]

HI all,

I was looking into the basics of mods, and on one maker's web site I was looking at a simple mod and read that it is a simple device, and it holds an 18350 battery, has a 510 thread and has a switch. This was a very basic mod indeed. As it features 5 on and 5 off switch then it's very simple, and due to that they suggest using protected 18350s.

I already have a Vamo V2 and it says to use unprotected cells only, I gather this is because the cells are "effectively protected" by the Vamo's electronics.

So in making the jump to the Vamo from my first eGo 650mah setup, I missed a little info/step; is it the case that in the eGo the cells would have been protected and as such the mod I am now looking at is simply a different sized version of that set up?

I've no problem with it either way, but I am trying to make sure I correctly understand details about the styles of these devices. It's been nearly a month since taking my first steps and I have covered a lot of ground already but would now like to review where I have been and try to learn as much as possible about what actually happened over the last 3-4 weeks!

I know that due to the 5 on & 5 off feature that it is not strictly a true mechanical mod, but it's very close in my view.

Sorry for the newb like question, I felt it better to ask than make a poor assumption.

[fiddles]

an ego regulates the power too and is no where near a mechanical mod. A true mechanical mod has no wiring at all basically it is a tube with a mechanical switch that when pressed completes circuit making atty fire, there is no power regulation (unless you insert kick I know ) so vape changes as battery loses power

[DiscoDes]

Yes the Ego Battery is protected by the electronics which also regulate the output voltage and the electronics handle the on/off function. Also the electronics turn the device off when the battery voltage becomes low so protecting the battery from over discharge.

The Vamo's (or any electronic mod) do the same with some additions:

Variable wattage/voltage - the Vamo and many mods have a "boost" circuit that takes the battery voltage (max 4.2V) and can boost it up, that way you can get 6v out of a 4.2v battery. You also get circuitry that can detect and display the battery voltage and resistance of a coil connected to it. Conversely the electronics can cut the voltage so you can get voltages out that are less than 4.2v. They also have protection circuitry that limit the output if a short is detected and will also stop the battery over-discharging.

So in making the jump to the Vamo from my first eGo 650mah setup, I missed a little info/step; is it the case that in the eGo the cells would have been protected and as such the mod I am now looking at is simply a different sized version of that set up?

Sort of but the Vamo has extra features.

I know that due to the 5 on & 5 off feature that it is not strictly a true mechanical mod, but it's very close in my view.

To a "purist" a mechanical mod only has 3 elements 1. A battery holder 2. A switch 3. A connector.
Not even any wiring!

DO NOT apologise for your question!

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 8:50:11 GMT DiscoDes said:

Yes the Ego Battery is protected by the electronics which also regulate the output voltage and the electronics handle the on/off function. Also the electronics turn the device off when the battery voltage becomes low so protecting the battery from over discharge.

The Vamo's (or any electronic mod) do the same with some additions:

Variable wattage/voltage - the Vamo and many mods have a "boost" circuit that takes the battery voltage (max 4.2V) and can boost it up, that way you can get 6v out of a 4.2v battery. You also get circuitry that can detect and display the battery voltage and resistance of a coil connected to it. Conversely the electronics can cut the voltage so you can get voltages out that are less than 4.2v. They also have protection circuitry that limit the output if a short is detected and will also stop the battery over-discharging.

So in making the jump to the Vamo from my first eGo 650mah setup, I missed a little info/step; is it the case that in the eGo the cells would have been protected and as such the mod I am now looking at is simply a different sized version of that set up?

Sort of but the Vamo has extra features.

I know that due to the 5 on & 5 off feature that it is not strictly a true mechanical mod, but it's very close in my view.

To a "purist" a mechanical mod only has 3 elements 1. A battery holder 2. A switch 3. A connector.
Not even any wiring!

DO NOT apologise for your question!

Thanks Des, I was looking at another mod (a Vision Slip), it's a simpler device and much like the eGo in it's approach, just the 5 on and 5 off switch and an 18350 battery really.

I liked the idea of adding this to my kit as I have the Vamo for indoors when I have time space and comfort.

The eGo has been fine for out and about, but the battery limitations can irritate (not got 100% reliable mains chargers), and I am not a huge fan of the eGo system overall, I like it, but just not a huge fan.

I saw this as a way to maybe move to a slightly nicer or perhaps rather more convenient battery system now I have a charger for those.

Since it's basically a battery holder and uses separate cells, then it adds up to something along the lines of a semi-rebuildable or user-serviceable battery system in that way. When the cells go down you can replace just them rather than the whole thing. I feel it could be a pretty convenient fit for my lifestyle.

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 8:47:06 GMT fiddles said:

an ego regulates the power too and is no where near a mechanical mod. A true mechanical mod has no wiring at all basically it is a tube with a mechanical switch that when pressed completes circuit making atty fire, there is no power regulation (unless you insert kick I know ) so vape changes as battery loses power

Thanks for that, I'd not considered the potential for changes too much, so it's good to know about that in advance!

Does it change by very much over the life of the battery charge?

[dragon]

That depends on what battery you use, we like the Efests as the performance stays fairly regular until it drops of at the end.
In my experience the first few puffs feel overpowered, and then it is pleasant vaping until suddenly there is no real oomph.

We have some grey ones, that drop off gradually, and so you have to change them sooner, and they always get ignored unless the Efests haven't been charged

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 11:56:26 GMT dragon said:

That depends on what battery you use, we like the Efests as the performance stays fairly regular until it drops of at the end.
In my experience the first few puffs feel overpowered, and then it is pleasant vaping until suddenly there is no real oomph.

We have some grey ones, that drop off gradually, and so you have to change them sooner, and they always get ignored unless the Efests haven't been charged

Thank you kindly, and luckily it was efests I was mulling over to go in it! 

[Roger]

Whatever you go for, never skimp on batteries. Cheap are usually cheap for a reason.

ETA  If you get the 'Slip' it is only 510 fitting, you would need an adaptor to be able to use Evod's (Ego thread only) etc.

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 12:11:36 GMT Roger said:

Whatever you go for, never skimp on batteries. Cheap are usually cheap for a reason.

Yes, agreed! However I got some not very cheap, reputable branded ones from a reputable supplier, and I'm not entirely thrilled with them either.

Happy enough with them, but they could still stand being a little better I feel.

I suspect I was lead to expect more from them (by a reviewer, not the seller) than they can deliver, and it's not the biggest deal breaker in the world.

Will be happy enough to use the same seller for these newer ones if and when I go there too.

[DiscoDes]

Jul 22, 2013 12:19:41 GMT Ancient Hermit said:

Jul 22, 2013 12:11:36 GMT Roger said:

Whatever you go for, never skimp on batteries. Cheap are usually cheap for a reason.

Yes, agreed! However I got some not very cheap, reputable branded ones from a reputable supplier, and I'm not entirely thrilled with them either.

Happy enough with them, but they could still stand being a little better I feel.

I suspect I was lead to expect more from them (by a reviewer, not the seller) than they can deliver, and it's not the biggest deal breaker in the world.

Will be happy enough to use the same seller for these newer ones if and when I go there too.

Are they 18350's?

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 12:54:09 GMT DiscoDes said:

Jul 22, 2013 12:19:41 GMT Ancient Hermit said:

Yes, agreed! However I got some not very cheap, reputable branded ones from a reputable supplier, and I'm not entirely thrilled with them either.

Happy enough with them, but they could still stand being a little better I feel.

I suspect I was lead to expect more from them (by a reviewer, not the seller) than they can deliver, and it's not the biggest deal breaker in the world.

Will be happy enough to use the same seller for these newer ones if and when I go there too.

Are they 18350's?

No they were another kind? I'm somewhat confused by the question? Help me out here please? ???

[Karma]

18350 is the size Ancient Hermit 18mm diameter 35mm length and the 0 means that the batteries are round

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 13:09:32 GMT Karma said:

18350 is the size Ancient Hermit 18mm diameter 35mm length and the 0 means that the batteries are round

You've answered another thing that I was wondering! Nice!

The cells I already have for the Vamo are AW IMR 18650 non protected 2000mah.

The ones I am mulling next are Efest 18350 protected 900 mah.

I will not be able to use the protected cells in the Vamo according to it's instruction sheet, but that is not a problem.

However for the other mod, if I go there, they will be exactly as directed by the seller of the device.

[Perpetua]

Jul 22, 2013 13:23:58 GMT Ancient Hermit said:

You've answered another thing that I was wondering! Nice!

The cells I already have for the Vamo are AW IMR 18650 non protected 2000mah.

The ones I am mulling next are Efest 18350 protected 900 mah.

I will not be able to use the protected cells in the Vamo according to it's instruction sheet, but that is not a problem.

However for the other mod, if I go there, they will be exactly as directed by the seller of the device.

I use pipped topped Efests in my Vamo without any problem Ancient . . . Efests/AW's or Panasonic's are the only 3 battery makes I posses now.

Torchy on Ebay is a good source for batteries:

myworld.ebay.co.uk/big_f_d_d&ssPageName=STRK:MEFSX:SELLERID&_trksid=p3984.m1543.l2533

[Ancient Hermit]

Jul 22, 2013 12:11:36 GMT Roger said:

Whatever you go for, never skimp on batteries. Cheap are usually cheap for a reason.

ETA  If you get the 'Slip' it is only 510 fitting, you would need an adaptor to be able to use Evod's (Ego thread only) etc.

Oh you added a bit later! As for the Slip, yes happy enough it's 510 only, adaptor would be fine too, but my Evod is intended for use on eGo batts, for ultra lightweight vaping if I feel like that.

I'm mulling the new Smok Pyrex Vivi for the top of the Slip.