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Post by C&C on Sept 19, 2013 11:41:22 GMT
I've been searching for a list of UK based suppliers who use natural and organic flavours in their e liquids and can't find one.
So many suppliers say they use 'high quality USA and EU derived flavours' but don't list what they are or whether they are naturally derived. Please can anyone provide links and recommendations.
This may be the wrong forum section for this so please can a mod move it if necesssry and perhaps it might be worth making this a sticky? There seems to be a lot of posters not getting on with the synthetics and 'froot' flavours so it would be really useful.
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Post by dragon on Sept 19, 2013 11:48:40 GMT
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Post by monty on Sept 19, 2013 15:21:54 GMT
I don't wish to worry you but natural and organic flavours are not as safe as those flavours composed of chemicals produced in a laboratory.
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Post by C&C on Sept 19, 2013 15:40:09 GMT
dragon Thanks for the links. I don't wish to worry you but natural and organic flavours are not as safe as those flavours composed of chemicals produced in a laboratory. Can you provide any links to web articles and/or research please? Some may well be unsafe but it would be useful to know which ones and why. The way this reads is that all natural and organic compounds are not as safe as synthetics which isn't the case.
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Post by monty on Sept 19, 2013 21:19:06 GMT
No links sorry. Each eliquid from a lab contains only chemicals approved for human consumption and not known to be harmful when vaped. Anything extracted from a natural source (organic or not) will contain hundreds or even thousands of different chemicals. There's really no way of saying how safe they are. That doesn't mean they're dangerous but they may well contain carcinogens in much smaller quantities than cigarettes an probably oils - the jury is out on the danger of oils in eliquid.
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Post by kibbster on Sept 20, 2013 11:34:47 GMT
dragon Thanks for the links. I don't wish to worry you but natural and organic flavours are not as safe as those flavours composed of chemicals produced in a laboratory. Can you provide any links to web articles and/or research please? Some may well be unsafe but it would be useful to know which ones and why. The way this reads is that all natural and organic compounds are not as safe as synthetics which isn't the case. Natural tobacco for one, not dangerous so much but does contain potentially carcinogenic elements. Can't imagine much else being that wrong with natural flavourings, I still think it's hyped though. If the lab chemicals aren't known to cause harm then natural won't make much difference, personally I think Natural and Organic are just buzz words designed to make some thing pretty safe sound really safe and politically correct as well. Not even sure you can get organic Propylene Glycol hehe All IMHO.
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Post by Perpetua on Sept 20, 2013 21:26:24 GMT
Also available here C&C . . . though they're out of stock of a number of flavours: Drunken Pirate Pudding is yummy as is the Vanilla Blackberry Swirl. Whether they're worth the premium price, I'm not so sure. And a link to the US home site if you fancy a bit of reading: www.virginvapor.com/
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Post by dreamylittledream on Sept 20, 2013 21:43:52 GMT
Ace Vapers do organic e-juices The plumb and coffee ones are both very good - wasn't a huge fan of the strawberry citrus kick and not tried any others www.acevapers.com/e-juice/
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Post by monty on Sept 20, 2013 22:00:29 GMT
Just to make it clear what I'm saying - no natural or organic eliquid is as safe as one from the labs of a reputable supplier such as Flavor Art because the natural and organic ones contain hundreds of chemicals which have not been tested as safe to vape. You may disagree but I'm sorry that's the way it is.
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Post by C&C on Sept 21, 2013 13:52:12 GMT
It was the Virgin Vapours reviews on a US site that started the hunt for UK suppliers initially. The Bed of Roses and the Forbidden Fig are two I would really like to try. Another organic UK based supplier, currently only offering tobacco style blends: truevape.co.uk/e-liquid.html
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Post by C&C on Sept 22, 2013 14:53:55 GMT
For info and to clarify on the unsafe debate: Briefly, the whole e liquid manufacturing industry is very young, especially the natural and organic side. Research and testing is ongoing. Good natural/organic manufacturers will use compounds that do not contain naturally occurring Diacetyl or are likely to be an irritant. Some natural flavour compounds and molecules MAY be found after research and testing to be less safe than their synthetic counterparts. Many people prefer the cleaner taste of naturals which generally don't leave an aftertaste or have a reaction to the synthetics. An article on the differences between natural and synthetic flavour molecules from Flavour Art's website can be found here: About flavours About flavours | FlavourArt.it Natural vs synthetic flavors
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Post by keepitgoin on Sept 22, 2013 23:30:02 GMT
Cheers Coffeeandcigs for admitting you dont like the cloying aftertaste on froot juice either. I wonder if quality brands have any less aftertaste?I've only used 3 for £10 Market stall flavours so far. I read on another of your posts stopping smoking is an aim for you, me also. I imagine that dropping nicotine levels will alter the taste of a juice you have gotten used to, so I reckon anticipating that I will drop my nicotine level eventually, I am willing to spend a few quid on different flavours, but those £3.49 sure add up quick!Let me know if you hear of any RollingBaccy juice that you try, its that taste I'm missing (I think)
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