a solution to "the clones"

[paulymeatballs]

Kelloggs certainly invented cornflakes. They made a movie about it called "The road to Wellville" starring Anthony Hopkins as Dr Kellogg. No more lidl shopping for the OP, they sell clones!

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 18:44:48 GMT dreamylittledream said:

Please do not bring the tedious clone arguments here, one of the things I really love about AAEC is most of us here are not the slightest bit precious about what we vape - the last thing we need is getting into the ridicuousness that certain other forums have resorted to.

Copywrite infringement is not theft - much as the media companies would also like us to believe - I would never spend over £100 on an atomizer but I may well spend £20 - the original maker has lost nothing if I buy a clone

this is good.

I think its about morals, its not a high horse thing its more a, erm, I am a nice guy thing and would like to do the right things for others who have not wronged me.

this guy seems to hit the nail on the head.

[Karma]

Oct 26, 2013 18:48:20 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 18:45:54 GMT Karma said:

there is no such thing as bad publicity 

but there is such thing as theft.

Yep, that's your view.  I don't class inferior copies as theft.

I have a couple of Cath Kitson like handbags, they're clones, but I like them and I wouldn't have paid over £60 for the real thing.  It's the way of the world as is people having different views

Fake Ugg boots anyone?  So long as they're good quality and not sold as 'Ugg' I'll be happy 

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 18:48:48 GMT paulymeatballs said:

Kelloggs certainly invented cornflakes. They made a movie about it called "The road to Wellville" starring Anthony Hopkins as Dr Kellogg. No more lidl shopping for the OP, they sell clones!

so they did!

licensed clones are acceptable

[Balllsy]

I buy clones just to get the jist of what things are like.

I bought a kick clone then I bought 3 Kicks followed by 2 Kick2s

I bought Nemesis clone and am trying to buy an original.

I bought Nimbus clone the bought original.

etc etc So I don't think that mod makers are doing too badly

You will never every stop the Chinese or any one else for that matter copying high end stuff. But unless it looks and worksidentically the same as the original (which it almost never does) there will always be a market for high end products.

Just remember there are some people that can not afford the expensive bits and it would be a shame if they couldn't get something "similar" for what they can afford.

[hiddenusername]

this is not about being able to afford

I cannot afford a private jet, I will be content with not owning one until I can afford it.

which will be A never or B when I win the lottery twice (euromillions)

now if some cheap cloner came along with a 20 grand jet that was basically a copy of a Learjet 31a I could buy, would I buy one ?

nope

[fred]

Oct 26, 2013 18:53:47 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 18:44:48 GMT dreamylittledream said:

Please do not bring the tedious clone arguments here, one of the things I really love about AAEC is most of us here are not the slightest bit precious about what we vape - the last thing we need is getting into the ridicuousness that certain other forums have resorted to.

Copywrite infringement is not theft - much as the media companies would also like us to believe - I would never spend over £100 on an atomizer but I may well spend £20 - the original maker has lost nothing if I buy a clone

this is good.

I think its about morals, its not a high horse thing its more a, erm, I am a nice guy thing and would like to do the right things for others who have not wronged me.

this guy seems to hit the nail on the head.

I don't think I've wronged you (yet  ) so if you'd like to be a nice guy and do the right thing by me, please leave the clones/copies be.

I, like many others here, am not particularly well off, and couldn't afford the likes of a Kayfun (& if I could, the money could be much better spent elsewhere). However, I have heard all the fuss about these attys, & the prospect of being able to get a (probably slightly inferior) copy of one for about £15 is amazing - I can see what this is all about, at a price point that is accepteble to me & mine.

If I like it, and think the original is worth the cash, I can save up for one in the future, just like other members do.

[Jerri]

Oct 26, 2013 18:06:20 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 17:59:46 GMT fiddles said:

They charge far too much its ridiculous to charge over £100 for a metal tube.

they can charge whatever they like, its their product no one is forcing anyone to pay!

so what you are saying is it is OK for me to pay a guy to steal your TV and bed so I pay him less than I would of paid if I bought them new, right ?

The quite a ridiculous analogy.

If it was a clone what would happen is he'd seen my TV. Realise he could make one almost identically for cheaper. But his own materials and do so. Then sell it to you for less than I paid LG for my one.

In which case I'd not bat an eyelid.

These people selling clones don't break into the original factories, steal products and sell them on as clones.

If someone wants to charge £100 for a metal tube they've made, go for it. They made it. They charge what they like. If someone else sees it and decides they can recreate it and charge £30, good for them.

It works this way with everything. Someone invented power steering, it goes into a car. Another car maker goes, well that's good. We'll copy that. A 3D TV was released. Now every maker has 3D TV's. Touch screen phones. Fashion designs. Chocolate, crisp, it happens in every single industry. Would you only by a teddy bear from the original factory that released the original design? Or do you think nothing of grabbing one at your local shop should you ever need one? If so then you're doing what you're so dead against us doing. You're buying a copy. A clone. Someone has taken the original idea and copied it. Made it for less and is selling it. If you are doing something you are telling us you're dead set against. Unless you buy originals of everything from original manufacturers then you can't really take offence at clones in a particular industry.

If I want an original. And I see the price as worth it to me personally. I'll buy one. If I like it but don't think it's worth the price. I'll buy a clone.

Warrent isn't an issue as a massive amount of vape gear only comes with a DOA warranty anyway.

[greendollar]

nor would I , it would most probably fall out of the sky after 2 weeks

[hiddenusername]

Fred, nothing against you at all my friend.

I have a kayfun 3.1, im not sold on it to be honest.

I cant afford lots of things I want, so I go without until I can.

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:18:05 GMT Jerri said:

Oct 26, 2013 18:06:20 GMT hiddenusername said:

they can charge whatever they like, its their product no one is forcing anyone to pay!

so what you are saying is it is OK for me to pay a guy to steal your TV and bed so I pay him less than I would of paid if I bought them new, right ?

The quite a ridiculous analogy.

hired theft

go down scotty road, give a scag head 100 quid to rob your house.

thats what the chinese cloners are doing to the mojo's and caravela's out there, someone is hiring them to steam the other guys design.

[Jerri]

Oct 26, 2013 19:24:06 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:18:05 GMT Jerri said:

The quite a ridiculous analogy.

hired theft

go down scotty road, give a scag head 100 quid to rob your house.

thats what the chinese cloners are doing to the mojo's and caravela's out there, someone is hiring them to steam the other guys design.

Nice way to avoid half the post.

As I said. Unless you've always bought original copies from original makes your entire life. Not even had a cheap mars bar copy.

Then you're being hypocritical.

It's obviously your prerogative to buy whatever you want.

It is not however your prerogative to preach to people. It is a best. Annoying. No better than the Jehovah's witnesses that no doubt annoy the crap out of your peaceful Sunday afternoons.

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:18:05 GMT Jerri said:

Oct 26, 2013 18:06:20 GMT hiddenusername said:

they can charge whatever they like, its their product no one is forcing anyone to pay!

so what you are saying is it is OK for me to pay a guy to steal your TV and bed so I pay him less than I would of paid if I bought them new, right ?

It works this way with everything. Someone invented power steering, it goes into a car. Another car maker goes, well that's good. We'll copy that. A 3D TV was released. Now every maker has 3D TV's. Touch screen phones. Fashion designs. Chocolate, crisp, it happens in every single industry. Would you only by a teddy bear from the original factory that released the original design? Or do you think nothing of grabbing one at your local shop should you ever need one? If so then you're doing what you're so dead against us doing. You're buying a copy. A clone. Someone has taken the original idea and copied it. Made it for less and is selling it. If you are doing something you are telling us you're dead set against. Unless you buy originals of everything from original manufacturers then you can't really take offence at clones in a particular industry.

power steering is patented, the design or idea is controled by registered designs that either the manufacturer creates OR licences Clicky

3d TV technology is licenced, be it active, passive or glasses free clicky

touch screen phones, depending on what tech is used it is licenced from the patent holder Clicky

fashion - sorry no idea

chocolate - no idea

crisps - again unsure

teddy bear - no idea

I dont buy any of the no idea stuff

[Jerri]

You don't buy fashion? You have zero clothes?

I assume all clothes you do have are purchased from the original designers shops?

What in saying is. People clone stuff. It happens. It's up to the individual how they spend their money. It's not up to you to preach at us and try and enforce your will.

You don't like clones. Don't buy them. Simple as. But don't come on here and preach at everyone who does.

If you have a phone or computer how do you deal with this? Since designers of them always steal ideas from other developers and manufacturers.

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:31:49 GMT Jerri said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:24:06 GMT hiddenusername said:

hired theft

go down scotty road, give a scag head 100 quid to rob your house.

thats what the chinese cloners are doing to the mojo's and caravela's out there, someone is hiring them to steam the other guys design.

Nice way to avoid half the post.

As I said. Unless you've always bought original copies from original makes your entire life. Not even had a cheap mars bar copy.

Then you're being hypocritical.

It's obviously your prerogative to buy whatever you want.

It is not however your prerogative to preach to people. It is a best. Annoying. No better than the Jehovah's witnesses that no doubt annoy the crap out of your peaceful Sunday afternoons.

copies - I dont believe I have ever bought a clone, never willingly anyways.

this is not about you or me, its about the guy who spent his time making something, making sure it all works how it should, the production run was in order and not making duffers the logistics of components from suppliers to modifications in house to some of the parts etc etc etc etc

it is not a right to own a orginal chi you, it is nobodys right to own a genuine chi you, it is a privilege

you cant just go up to someones open front door and start helping yourself, thats what is happening to the little guy who put all the effort in. that is what im not happy with.

not you

not me

the guy who is getting shafted by the guys cloning his business.