a solution to "the clones"

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:36:10 GMT Jerri said:

You don't buy fashion? You have zero clothes? - My girlfriend buys them, she likes shopping i dont

I assume all clothes you do have are purchased from the original designers shops? - you miss the point, its not about buying a original from a legitimate but not affiliated outlet.

What in saying is. People clone stuff. It happens. It's up to the individual how they spend their money. It's not up to you to preach at us and try and enforce your will. 

indeed, that is the job of the department of trading standards, and resellers (not you or I) will be going to jail for it, mark my word.

If you have a phone or computer how do you deal with this? Since designers of them always steal ideas from other developers and manufacturers.

I dont have a downloaded copy of windows, nor any hooky software, its all legit, that is how I deal with it.

[Jerri]

Clone. Copy. Both the same.

You *don't think you have*. Sorry mate but that's not good enough. Unless you know 100% that you haven't so much as had a fake coke in a pub then you've no right to preach any anyone who buys clones.

People in glass houses and such.

The world is full of copies of originals. Clones. 'A-likes' etc. full of them.

If the makers are so bothers. Patent the ideas and sue the clone makers.

I'm off to buy a clone of something now. Just because I can.

[Jerri]

Oct 26, 2013 19:43:25 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:36:10 GMT Jerri said:

You don't buy fashion? You have zero clothes? - My girlfriend buys them, she likes shopping i dont

I assume all clothes you do have are purchased from the original designers shops? - you miss the point, its not about buying a original from a legitimate but not affiliated outlet.

What in saying is. People clone stuff. It happens. It's up to the individual how they spend their money. It's not up to you to preach at us and try and enforce your will. 

indeed, that is the job of the department of trading standards, and resellers (not you or I) will be going to jail for it, mark my word.

If you have a phone or computer how do you deal with this? Since designers of them always steal ideas from other developers and manufacturers.

I dont have a downloaded copy of windows, nor any hooky software, its all legit, that is how I deal with it.

So it's okay if someone buys a clone on your behalf?

That doesn't cover phones. iPhones have a crap ton copied from android and Cydia. Same with android. And windows etc.

[griffon10]

this is a pointless thread. Pro clone and anti clone will always disagree. it comes down to personal choice.spend your own money on what you want to but don't preach to everyone else. i cann promise you they won't listen whatever side of the argument they are on and thats their right.all it does arguing it is create friction and thats not what this forum is about. I've heard all the arguments already on ukvapers and it ended badly. the mods and site owners simply banned all clone threads and it just caused lots of bad feelings.

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:43:33 GMT Jerri said:

Clone. Copy. Both the same.

You *don't think you have*. Sorry mate but that's not good enough. Unless you know 100% that you haven't so much as had a fake coke in a pub then you've no right to preach any anyone who buys clones.

People in glass houses and such.

The world is full of copies of originals. Clones. 'A-likes' etc. full of them.

If the makers are so bothers. Patent the ideas and sue the clone makers.

I'm off to buy a clone of something now. Just because I can.

hmm, I think you missed the point young grasshopper

im not preaching, im trying to protect vaping, what I thought everyone here kinda liked doing, see?

I dont have a issue with people if they buy clones, you do as you wish, not my problem.

I do have a issue with the blatant theft that we are seemingly supporting.

its illegal, immoral, the cloners are cheating everyone, not just the guy who designed it originally.

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:45:12 GMT Jerri said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:43:25 GMT hiddenusername said:

So it's okay if someone buys a clone on your behalf?

That doesn't cover phones. iPhones have a crap ton copied from android and Cydia. Same with android. And windows etc.

its called licenced technology

the design holder owns the p[atent apple et al (most of the time) pay for, oh forget it, I dont think you are to the required level of knowledge to hold a propper debate, you win! lol

[Jerri]

Oct 26, 2013 19:48:22 GMT hiddenusername said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:43:33 GMT Jerri said:

Clone. Copy. Both the same.

You *don't think you have*. Sorry mate but that's not good enough. Unless you know 100% that you haven't so much as had a fake coke in a pub then you've no right to preach any anyone who buys clones.

People in glass houses and such.

The world is full of copies of originals. Clones. 'A-likes' etc. full of them.

If the makers are so bothers. Patent the ideas and sue the clone makers.

I'm off to buy a clone of something now. Just because I can.

hmm, I think you missed the point young grasshopper

im not preaching, im trying to protect vaping, what I thought everyone here kinda liked doing, see?

I dont have a issue with people if they buy clones, you do as you wish, not my problem.

I do have a issue with the blatant theft that we are seemingly supporting.

its illegal, immoral, the cloners are cheating everyone, not just the guy who designed it originally.

I don't miss the point. My point is there's clones everywhere. You can't take exception to them in one industry and not in another.

[Karma]

I don't miss the point. My point is there's clones everywhere. You can't take exception to them in one industry and not in another.

back to cornflakes then

[hiddenusername]

Oct 26, 2013 19:50:57 GMT Jerri said:

Oct 26, 2013 19:48:22 GMT hiddenusername said:

hmm, I think you missed the point young grasshopper

im not preaching, im trying to protect vaping, what I thought everyone here kinda liked doing, see?

I dont have a issue with people if they buy clones, you do as you wish, not my problem.

I do have a issue with the blatant theft that we are seemingly supporting.

its illegal, immoral, the cloners are cheating everyone, not just the guy who designed it originally.

I don't miss the point. My point is there's clones everywhere. You can't take exception to them in one industry and not in another.

you can when its licensed

like cornflakes

[giles]

There is nothing immoral about a clone unless it pretends to be something it is not. Patents and copyrights aren't a matter of morals. There was no line on Moses' tablets of stone which said "thou shalt not copy someone else's idea". These are just things that politicians and lawyers made up because they thought things would be better that way, like company law and speeding limits.

And as it happens, they were wrong. Things would probably work better if there was no copyright or patent law. If the Chinese guy who invented vaping had tied it all up with patents we'd still be on over-priced cig-alikes (except that most of us would still be smoking).

[hiddenusername]

jerri

say you spent a few months making something, a good thing, in your spare time, or without pay.

that thing was popular and lots of people wanted it

you where reaping the rewards for months of hard work

then you found it on bootle market for 90% less than the price you set

seriously, would you think it was OK ?

[dreamylittledream]

Cornflakes are long out of patent protection FWIW so no licencing going on there.

Anyway this is going exactly the way I suspected it would which is why I'd prefer this kind of debate didn't start here really.

[griffon10]

flogging a dead horse comes to mind. the general opinion on here is that we don't really care one way or the other about clones. i suggest you get used to the idea and go merrily on your way with your views. although you do seem to like the sound of your own voice echoing in the wilderness.

[hiddenusername]

Herbert A. Gilbert

1963

patent applied for but not granted (well I cant find it if it was)

Hon Lik

2003

made the res/juice holder

[Jerri]

Oct 26, 2013 19:56:04 GMT hiddenusername said:

jerri

say you spent a few months making something, a good thing, in your spare time, or without pay.

that thing was popular and lots of people wanted it

you where reaping the rewards for months of hard work

then you found it on bootle market for 90% less than the price you set

seriously, would you think it was OK ?

I'd think I was an idiot for not making sure nobody could copy my design and that if they did I could do something about it.

I'd also realise there will always be people prepared to pay for the original. People who buy clones would never pay original prices. That's why they buy clones.

I wouldn't pay £100 for a kayfun. Would I pay £20 for a fastech clone? Yes. The original maker is losing no business from me as I'd never pay the price they were asking anyway.

Just FYI. I've not for any clones. I just don't see an issue with people who do.