a solution to "the clones"

[fred]

Oct 26, 2013 21:22:16 GMT bazzer said:

Oct 26, 2013 21:09:41 GMT jacquif said:

Hetty is cute - I almost bought one but my OH told me not to be stupid - I thought they meant we didn't need a back-up hoover but was told it was because we'd end up with a dozen or more little Henries...

 I think I have got it now, when I am outside hovering the car with Hetty, I thought people were saying "look at that CLOWN", they were really saying "look at that CLONE"

Does Hetty blow as well as suck then? 

To create the cushion of air for you to hover the car on then?

[gapy360]

I appreciate what hiddenusername is saying, and the original mods toppers are things of beauty and I do aspire to be able to own one/some, but each of us has a vape budget, and other priorities so we can't always get what we want, but I want to have the best vape I can afford. The out and out copies I do disagree with, but take the Magneto, they took the basic Nzonic mod but made it ttheir own (branding, design, etc) , you can only design a switch tube and 510 connection a limited number of ways. Then take my new toy, fogger v2. This is meant to be a clone of the taifun, but they have added to the original design so I don't look at this as a clone but as a cheaper alternative with some additions.
Then there is the Triumvirate which is a copy of the Trident, I haven't seen a trident in the flesh so I can't say if it's a total copy, but it's is well made and solid.
I do also think that some of the originals are over priced, but in my view if you feel it's a fair price and can afford it go for it, if not find something else.
Basically each to their own, and let not dictate either way, hopefully we are all adult enough to have our own opinions and respect others even if we don't agree with it.
Is this where we group hug now?? :-P
And hiddenusername if you decided on getting rid of the kayfun, throw it my way! (lol)

[bazzer]

Oct 26, 2013 21:25:28 GMT fred said:

Oct 26, 2013 21:22:16 GMT bazzer said:

 I think I have got it now, when I am outside hovering the car with Hetty, I thought people were saying "look at that CLOWN", they were really saying "look at that CLONE"

Does Hetty blow as well as suck then? 

To create the cushion of air for you to hover the car on then?

  I don't know what you are on about....my post says "hoovering"..... Tease-smiley

[hiddenusername]

AAEC = don't mention the clones!

lol

[Mev]

I think the whole clones thing is very dodgy ground in all ways but when it comes to mods and atty's being cloned I think there's one major point that sticks out for me, I am not convinced that a mod maker such as Imeo for instance is losing any money from the sales of clones, price is the biggest attraction to anyone buying a clone and most likely most people buying a clone wouldn't be buying the original in the first place. If there wasn't this massive difference in price i'm sure most would prefer buying the originals. Does this make it right ? no not at all and especially when cloned to a T and inc logo's engraving but as long as there's such a big difference in price ranges it will keep happening.
Having said that so far in the ecig business although there is clones there is usually a noticeable difference of some kind from the originals, finish, quality or whatever so you don't hear of people being duped although i'm sure it's possible if someone isn't up on the original.
One thing that always pee'd me right off was Ego batts as a lot were being sold almost identical to Joytech's even down to the name but were cheap knock offs and could possibly be dangerous, there is a few vendors I have swerved because of selling these in the past. What I am saying is there's a fine line for me between some thing being copied for it's design and something setting out to dupe customers, the first being dubious the latter being an outright no.

I remember loads shouting about the clones of the Cobra and thinking come on the Cobra itself is just a clone, but just because it was well made and given a name it was seen as ok.. These are the things that make me find the whole subject dubious and I just scratch my head.

Oh I don't know is my thoughts lol...

[bazzer]

Oct 26, 2013 21:20:30 GMT stewarty said:

Oct 26, 2013 20:04:33 GMT Karma said:

I've never had a hoover 

Must say, I do like Henry 

Was he not the dog on the Mince Morsals dog food advert ???

 Totally off topic, you mean this ?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8002952.stm

[stewarty]

Oct 26, 2013 21:43:08 GMT bazzer said:

Oct 26, 2013 21:20:30 GMT stewarty said:

Was he not the dog on the Mince Morsals dog food advert ???

 Totally off topic, you mean this ?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8002952.stm

Thats the one bazzer

Thought I would lighten the mood a little as it is a little mad in here tonight

[Jaguar7777]

What an interesting thread.

I think the OP makes a very good point, and there is no doubt that the "Clones" and "Knock Off's" drag the industry down. No point in my going into detail here, because the whole "Clone" issue can be viewed historically. Piracy, in any form, is just that. As China grows as an industrial nation it's business peers will soon see to it that their patents laws are tightened up.

At the moment, we have the ridiculous situation where both the Originals and the Clones are made in the same factories!

That has been happening for years.

When they get around to seeing how much they are cutting their own throats they will put a stop to it.

Not long ago, on Janty's main site, there was a paragraph where they stated they were proud their products were being imitated because it showed how popular they are.

A little naïve methinks ................

Jag. (Legislation will come .....)

[silentscream]

Oct 26, 2013 23:23:49 GMT Jaguar7777 said:

What an interesting thread.

I think the OP makes a very good point, and there is no doubt that the "Clones" and "Knock Off's" drag the industry down. No point in my going into detail here, because the whole "Clone" issue can be viewed historically. Piracy, in any form, is just that. As China grows as an industrial nation it's business peers will soon see to it that their patents laws are tightened up.

At the moment, we have the ridiculous situation where both the Originals and the Clones are made in the same factories!

That has been happening for years.

When they get around to seeing how much they are cutting their own throats they will put a stop to it.

Not long ago, on Janty's main site, there was a paragraph where they stated they were proud their products were being imitated because it showed how popular they are.

A little naïve methinks ................

Jag. (Legislation will come .....)

I don't see how they're breaking the law unless they name their products after the ones they're emulating. Bear in mind the non-clone products are themselves a rip-off of several ideas that were started by someone else, they're just improving on them.
Ergo, the clones are improving on the rip-off prices the name brands impose on their customers.

Cloning and a stunning lack of originality is not new. Have you never seen the X Factor?

[Jaguar7777]

Oct 26, 2013 23:28:48 GMT silentscream said:

Oct 26, 2013 23:23:49 GMT Jaguar7777 said:

What an interesting thread.

I think the OP makes a very good point, and there is no doubt that the "Clones" and "Knock Off's" drag the industry down. No point in my going into detail here, because the whole "Clone" issue can be viewed historically. Piracy, in any form, is just that. As China grows as an industrial nation it's business peers will soon see to it that their patents laws are tightened up.

At the moment, we have the ridiculous situation where both the Originals and the Clones are made in the same factories!

That has been happening for years.

When they get around to seeing how much they are cutting their own throats they will put a stop to it.

Not long ago, on Janty's main site, there was a paragraph where they stated they were proud their products were being imitated because it showed how popular they are.

A little naïve methinks ................

Jag. (Legislation will come .....)

I don't see how they're breaking the law unless they name their products after the ones they're emulating. Bear in mind the non-clone products are themselves a rip-off of several ideas that were started by someone else, they're just improving on them.
Ergo, the clones are improving on the rip-off prices the name brands impose on their customers.

Cloning and a stunning lack of originality is not new. Have you never seen the X Factor?

Have I ever seen the X Factor?


No.


Jag. (Fortunately has better things to do .......... )

[silentscream]

Oct 26, 2013 23:31:52 GMT Jaguar7777 said:

Oct 26, 2013 23:28:48 GMT silentscream said:

Have I ever seen the X Factor?


No.


Jag. (Fortunately has better things to do .......... )

You're missing out. I love the sob stories, the bits where they say their whole family just died and their last wishes were to see them do really crap cover versions on a reality TV show.

[gordy180]

Sorry if this has been said before. I've just come online and haven't read the he full thread
If some of these so called clones prove to the same as or better than the originals surely it only shows how much we vapers are getting ripped off by paying the full price

[hiddenusername]

I'm still uneasy that such blatant theft and supporting of the thieving scum is so vehemently accepted on here.

I know that wont be a popular thing to say here (after tonight) but it's the truth.

I posted this thread originally because I genuinely thought it was a huge concern, so big in fact we could all do something about it, and thought since I have been here a while and got to know that most of you are actually nice people (by reading the threads) you too would also be concerned and we could do something about it together.

I don't think most of the clone supporters even understand what it is doing to vaping or in fact understand cloning, they just want to post something against it, it's all about them and how they can now get something they couldn't get before even though its basically illegal but I'm not here to tell anyone they are selfish.

I work hard (I'm working now actually) and have over the last 15 years put myself in a fortunate position where I can go and buy whatever I want, I'm not bragging just telling the truth, nobody has ever given me anything, ever, I was brought up by a single parent on a council estate in Merseyside with 2 brothers, we had nothing, I only had what I went out and made for myself, I learned that from about the age of 9, I was kicked out of school at 14 and no other school would have me (fighting, not because I was dumb, obviously) so have no qualifications at all. LOTS of people have stolen from me over the years, be it ideas, designs plans or stock etc etc and made a good wedge out of my work (or warehouse), this is why I can relate to the guys who are being cloned, they are the ones who put the hours weeks months in and made what you are enjoying (clones) and you have simply lifted them like a pickpocket (well mabe not you but the cloners have)

the excuse of "the guy who made it will never get a sale from me anyways" kind of sums up the mentality we are dealing with from a minority here, again I'm not trying to be popular just telling it how it is.

[silentscream]

hidden rarely has so much bull come from one individual in such a short space of time. If the clones were illegal why aren't they in court every day defending themselves? If you're such a 'nice guy' as you keep going to great pains to point out why did you start a thread saying you found the best juice in the world but refused to share it with anyone until you had secured more or less the entire supply for yourself?

You're full of it mate. What is and isn't legal will not be decided by you and like I said, if you're going to accuse makers of clones of theft you sure as hell better do the same thing to the big brand names you're defending who stole all their ideas from inferior products to start with. Good luck hunting down all the criminals I hope you have a lot of time on your hands.

[cl0wn]

From the POV of a newbie, I ordered from an Asian site, as it may be a cheap entry level way into vaping, I see this with a lot of reefkeeping gear. The Germans and Brits produced a lot of the main tech that was used. In the last 3 or so years, the Chinese have initially badly copied the tech, but have since improved and reduced the price of it. This has now started to question hobbiests into thinking they can get equivalent or better gear for much cheaper. I would have never considered giving vaping a go if I would have had to fork out around £100 for what I can get from Asia for half that. That's entry level, who knows what I'll spend on vaping gear in the future, and I'll probably go for the real thing.