Advice request on moving to new system

[Mr Di]

hi frances   a passthrough can be charged while you are using it 

[frances]

Nov 3, 2013 2:46:10 GMT giles said:

Nov 2, 2013 23:14:24 GMT frances said:

would there be something I could re wick with that would tolerate these stickier liquids.

I suspect that bottom-coil devices like the protank and evod will fare better than the top coil devices like the nova and iclear, but I'm really only guessing. However, if you are coiling your own wicks then you can replace the usual silica wick with cotton, which handles thicker juices better. (If that doesn't work, the next step would be a genesis-style RBA with a metal mesh wick or a dripping atty). I don't use cotton myself, but plenty do. There's videos e.g. link

It might be easier to do something about the juice. Juices with a lot of VG (instead of PG) tend to be thicker. Also more vapour, a bit less throat hit. Slightly sweeter. It may be worth seeing if your supplier has a higher PG version of the liquid. Or, you could try thinning it yourself. Distilled water works (from a chemist, not a garage) but personally I use vodka, which works better and also increases the throat hit a bit (which I like but of course you may not). 5% vodka to 95% juice will probably make a noticeable difference to the atty, but maybe not much (or nothing bad) to the flavour.

Incidentally, to clean my heads I just rinse them under the hot tap for a while, dab them on a tissue, and then put them on a radiator. I have at least 2 heads for each clearo I've got in use, so I replace the head with one I cleaned yesterday or whenever. I don't dry-burn any more. I've tried other things, but I think it is easier to just do the rinse more often. Evods and protanks are less trouble to clean & change heads than the novas and iclears because you don't have to empty the tanks before you do it.

Thank you Giles. I am trying this method of cleaning and have my second to last head drying on the radiator as I type! The liquids I'm using aren't particularly heavy on VG (30%) but some are very thick- I have found that coffee ones are particularly bad at clogging, so will try thinning those as you suggest. I can say that the one bottom coil tank I have (a Jac version of an evod which they no longer have in stock and don't sell spare wicks for.....) has proved much better (if only it wouldn't 'pop' so alarmingly!) not clogging/ burning and is much easier to clean - so will definitely be going with bottom coil in the future. I'm now thinking about innokin for my replacement system- if I can get over my uncertainty over the ergonomics of the square design. 

[rich64]

Hello and welcome frances

I think the box mods are fine on the comfort front but i see some posts saying they find them a little awkward(but overall most seem to like them)

The "passthrough" means you can plug it in to charge and continue using it whilst its charging(eg the mvp amongst others)

VTR, mvp vamo etc :it wont make any difference as far as recoiling is concerned as you just select a tank that is rebuildable to attach to the vtr,mvp vamo etc (eg the pro tank, davide etc......buying extra heads saves the hassles of recoiling as you just unscrew the old head and pop a new one on and then you can recoil the old one at your leisure)

I suppose in theory with something like the mvp you would nt need a second battery(In theory!!) but back ups are highly recommended in case of anything going pear shaped.

the mvp has a built in battery but others(eg vamo) you buy batteries seperately along with a suitable charger.

mvp,vtr,vamo can all read your atties ohms for rebuilding so any one of the three would suit your needs but there are others that would work for you just as well.

I see alot of people getting on well with the vtr (i dont have one) but for me(and its purely personal preference) if it was between mvp and vamo id have the vamo with a view to buying the mvp/vtr later on (but id stress theres other options out there :eg vision spinner,ego twist etc so worth shpiing around to get what you want then before you buy check back here for the best deal on your choice.

Hope ive helped a little

[ionian]

Nov 3, 2013 18:13:00 GMT frances said:

Nov 2, 2013 18:59:40 GMT ionian said:

I love Innokin products. The STD is a tube mod with a good reputation; the MVP is a box mod with an enormous battery life, no other batteries needed; the itaste is a smaller battery, but is very slim and attractive.
Also available at this price range is the Vamo - many people start their vv/vw experience with this, another electronic tube mod.

Vamos, SVD and MVPs are available at www.myepack.co.uk - best prices I've found for brand new items; the itaste best price is at www.paradisevape.co.uk for £30. I've got to run so haven't got time to find direct links - apologies!

Sorry for the slow reply- I see that the innokin products get good reviews and are at around the right price point (at the moment!). Couple of quick questions if you don't mind? Is the box shape of the MVP or VTR uncomfortable in the hand (I'm guessing not or it would be so well reviewed). I keep reading about 'pass through' - does that mean that you don't hold it? Would it be best to go with the VTR over the MPV if I'm thinking of doing my own coils (so I can check the resistance- hope I'm getting the terminology right here!). I can see definite advantages if the battery lasts so much longer, without too long a length/weight. Do you need a second battery for when it needs charging or do most people just use a back up system of charge overnight? 
I think that's more than a couple of questions! So I'll stop there. Just can't believe how incredible kind and helpful everyone is being! Thank you. 

There are many people on here my knowledgable than me so I'll reply to what I can, and I'm sure others will chip in to fill in the gaps

i dont find find the box mods to be uncomfortable - I have an MVP and it's fine. However, it's not the prettiest device out there - at the end if the day it's just a square box. The VTR is (IMO) a better looking device, but you are a little limited by what attys / clearomizers you can use with it. It also needs an external battery - but this means you can have one on charge whilst you use the other. The MVP is a pass through device, which means you can use it when on charge. The battery lasts me well over a week between charges, but i use a different device during the day. 

If you are thinking of making your own coils, it's the atomizer you need to worry about - your power device will have very little effect. Both devices let you check resistance, as does the vamo and the itaste, and probably the SVD (I'm waiting for mine to arrive so I don't know for sure )

As as much as I love my MVP for the quality of vape, i prefer the look of the tube mods so which I'd gone for a vamo or svd first. But this is purely cosmetic and my opinion, and you can't beat the batty life of the MVP!

[giles]

I don't use an MVP but I'm sure it (the V2 anyway) will tell you resistance. The battery is built in, so you'd have to charge it while you were using it on the passthrough, or overnight. If overnight it is best to make sure that if it explodes it won't burn your house down - a very small proportion of large batteries explode while being charged. You can buy a charging bag, or put it in a large saucepan or something like that.

[frances]

Nov 2, 2013 19:39:47 GMT giles said:

What a vamo (for instance) does do, among other things, is tell you how much power is left in your battery, and tell you the resistance of your atty - which is handy when you are rewicking. And if you do want to try an RBA one day then you'll have something that can drive it properly.

Sorry, another reply. Just looked again at the Vamo and am just so undecided between this option and the innokin. If I go with the Vamo, would I be better buying the body separately from the kit and then buying better quality batteries and charger and if so do you have any recommendations? I don't intend quitting vaping so might be better to invest at this stage, having already made quite enough mistakes! My husband and children are just so pleased that I've stopped smoking that their view is 'just spend whatever it costs'! So.... And once again many thanks for taking the time to offer your advice. 

[giles]

Coffee used to be my main vape, I tried lots and chose DV doppio caffeinated espresso link for instance.
It didn't clog up the Novas I was using at the time. Not cheap though. I still do a fair bit, but these days I mix my own.

[giles]

There'll be other opinions, but personally I'd buy the vamo and maybe the charger from China if you can stand the wait, but get the batteries in the UK (which is what I did). Best Chinese charger is intellicharger. I reckon the i2 (two bays) is enough, but some people get the i4 (4 bays) presumably so that they can use it to charge other stuff (it will charge most types of cylindrical battery). There are a lot of cheap unreliable batteries about. The UK supplier who does reasonable prices for decent batteries is Torchy, who trades on ebay dsa.ebay.co.uk/sch/big_f_d_d/m.html

I got my vamo a year or so ago from vapourbreak, but since then fasttech seems to have become the favourite Chinese supplier. They've had some problems with delivery recently though, but hopefully somebody will come along with an opinion about how they are doing now.

Then again, if you don't mind spending the money, there are several UK suppliers.

[Mr Di]

look on here 

myepack.co.uk/batteries.html

thay do the batterys and a good charger

[giles]

I meant to say - when I got my vamo the stainless steel version was the one to get, because the coating came off the others. The SS is built like a brick thing, and is pretty heavy, so I use it mainly in short mode - 18350 batteries. In theory you can use it in long mode with two stacked 18350s (long mode is normally 18650 - 18mm diameter x 65.0mm length), but since the only cases of anything exploding while actually being vaped have been with stacked batteries I'd suggest you don't stack them. My 18350s don't last that long but with one charging while I vape on another I'm not too bothered.

[tracerace1]

welcome frances  

[millerkev]

passthrough generally mean plug it into your pc via usb and use and charge at same time
CAUTION do not ever charge any bettery un-attended over night nor the day unattended for that matter
mpv has one battery that doesnt come out you just charge as and when required ,,maybe every 2/3 days dependant on use ofcourse
sorry i not as much help as some others in these matters but ..thought i must comment when i saw you charged batteries overnight..its a NO GO

PERSONALLY I WOULD GO FOR A SPINNER AND PRO-TANK If i was you..just my 2 bobs worth

[frances]

Thank you all, once again for your comments- guess I've been a bit lucky (and I realise now, stupid) with charging my batteries overnight -Won't be doing that again!! I've looked at charging bags, but can't see how they would work with a battery that winds directly into a plug on the wall, via an adapter?
I'm still looking to get a larger device/ mod at some in the near future but am a bit undecided by which one to go for - one or two of you have hinted that there 'are other options'. I think this needs a bit more thought and for me to read through few more threads on this excellent forum.
My main concern now is to get a replacement for my Jac vv - I really don't want to be buying any more replacement tanks from them as they won't be compatible with the new system and I'm running low on supplies. I also think it would be good to see how much of an improvement I get from using different types of tank/ wick set up. It might be that this fixes my biggest bug bears (ie the inability I seem to be having with cleaning the jac heads).
Having got used to vv, am I right in thinking that my options on a mid sized system are - itaste, spinner or ego twist? Spinner seems the one most of you would recommend. Then when I do move up to something like a Vamo, I will have a better grounding in what are my preferred tanks and I will be able to look at the slower china route.
Thanks too for all the excellent links provided- decadent vapours seems to offer some interesting juice (Giles, not sure I should try a coffee flavour with caffeine as I already have a hefty habit in the real thing!). Myepack have very good prices on juice (and equipment ) so will be giving them a try too.

[Roscopecotrain]

Nov 4, 2013 9:00:53 GMT frances said:

Thank you all, once again for your comments- guess I've been a bit lucky (and I realise now, stupid) with charging my batteries overnight -Won't be doing that again!! I've looked at charging bags, but can't see how they would work with a battery that winds directly into a plug on the wall, via an adapter?
I'm still looking to get a larger device/ mod at some in the near future but am a bit undecided by which one to go for - one or two of you have hinted that there 'are other options'. I think this needs a bit more thought and for me to read through few more threads on this excellent forum.
My main concern now is to get a replacement for my Jac vv - I really don't want to be buying any more replacement tanks from them as they won't be compatible with the new system and I'm running low on supplies. I also think it would be good to see how much of an improvement I get from using different types of tank/ wick set up. It might be that this fixes my biggest bug bears (ie the inability I seem to be having with cleaning the jac heads).
Having got used to vv, am I right in thinking that my options on a mid sized system are - itaste, spinner or ego twist? Spinner seems the one most of you would recommend. Then when I do move up to something like a Vamo, I will have a better grounding in what are my preferred tanks and I will be able to look at the slower china route.
Thanks too for all the excellent links provided- decadent vapours seems to offer some interesting juice (Giles, not sure I should try a coffee flavour with caffeine as I already have a hefty habit in the real thing!). Myepack have very good prices on juice (and equipment ) so will be giving them a try too.

Spinner would be my choice as well but the little itaste v3 is very good and looks the part. Sadie has some great prices on some very good spinner and twist kits. www.ukecigcabin.com/Advanced_Electronic_Cigarette_Kits/cat1893785_1889007.aspx
For up top either a kanger evod or innokin iclear 16.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 2

[giles]

Nov 4, 2013 9:00:53 GMT frances said:

I've looked at charging bags, but can't see how they would work with a battery that winds directly into a plug on the wall, via an adapter?

These things don't stop it exploding, just stop the bits flying across the room and setting fire to something. Just let the wire go through the top. As long as the battery is inside you should be OK.
I agree that a spinner is a good place to start. If you get a vamo later the spinner won't be wasted, still handy for out & about.

I see what you mean about the caffeine. I don't vape it late at night. They do a decaffeinated version - I haven't tried it, but it has good reports.