When clones really hurt.........

[davetherayon]

There are so many things made in the Far East that we buy, the only thing that could be leveled against clones are breach of copyright. Copyrighting is not cheap to do, and the ecig market probably isn't that big enough yet to make it worthwhile. I bet a pound to a penny that the first CR infringement case will be from BAT about their 'spongy cigalike tip' that nobody else is doing (mainly because it's a cigalike), but if the EU restrictions come in and it's a feature of one of the first ecigs they licence, the Chinese clones will be into overdrive.

[Bluefish]

i agree, the op's post is total bollocks, unless further information can be provided. Or let's us all not buy anything made in china ever, see where that get's you?

[Todd]

But that is what Joey was saying, he is making the choice not to buy from China based on that experience, he wasn't telling anyone directly to not buy from China but sharing his thoughts.

If that's what he chooses to do then fair enough but personally call that bollocks.

If he was shouting the odds and telling us all to listen to him and follow his example, that would be bollocks

[vereybowring]

The only end in sight for any of the cheap/badly treated labour anywhere in the world will always follow the same pattern.
Country A has stuff it wants Country B can make it cheaper than country A can so production goes there.
After a time country B becomes just as strong economically and socially as country A so the stuff just aint as cheap to make. Enter country C, it will happily make the product cheaper than A or B but again doesn't have social care in mind.
This goes on until the same advances happen in C, then D turns up.
You gotta remember at the start of the industrial revolution it was the working class in the UK that were battery workers for industry until our economy and social conscience changed.

The cycle has been going as long as humans have had industry. We invent stuff, it gets popular, it gets copied and the cheapest producer gets the biggest slice if not the biggest profits until it all equalises. Until everybody in the world is being ruled by similar laws and social justice then this will keep going. Hell I bet if we ever explore space and find other civilisations we can do the same to (or they do to us of course) it will go inter species.

I have spent ages (like many others) avoiding the clone wars, but sometimes some of the spurious arguments get on my nerves. I am very well aware that in foreign lands people get treated like crap to make the developed world happy. My take on it is what would they be doing to survive if we didn't buy the goods. Some would have us believe they'd find something else to do, which I know is blinkering your conscience since I bet those poor people would end up even poorer and worse off - probably adding to the starving millions. Its crap, I know it is but I am not in a position to help massively by investing billions into charities and politics to change the social conscience in every country in the world. Alas most of the people with the power and money to do such things are far too busy making the money that is basically fed up to them by all the layers of workers from those subsistence ones at the bottom to their Ivory towers.

Sorry if I went on a bit, just had to air my thoughts before they vanished off again (lucidity and eloquence being highly variable in my life).

[Perpetua]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the subject, whether any of us agree with it or not . . . my own personal opinion is, it's my money that I've worked hard to earn- so I'll spend it where I and my conscience choose. I respect everyone else's right to do exactly the same, it wouldn't occur to me to dictate otherwise.

In an ideal world I'd support more countries other than China/some East Asian nations, because of their record on animal abuse. This isn't the thread to list the hideously cruel atrocities that are commited, nor sadly do we live in an ideal world.

Did anyone catch this:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25490772

The baking tips on this thread, I have however found very useful.

[griffon10]

in that case perps how about posting me some of yyour cloned cakes?

[Super-Shiny]

Edited my post and took this away "I am guilty at buying clones"

Makes me sound like i have committed a crime when i haven't, i will always buy clones and genuine.

My post was not really about the conditions in China and the workers as this is happening all over the world, it was more about how the company i worked for knew the lock was failing and continued to sell them putting peoples lives in the UK at risk.

[gordy180]

If the genuine articles were brought down to a reasoable price there wouldnt be a need for clones

[Perpetua]

Thing is Super-Shiny, we don't have an issue with clones/buying from China on this forum, never have done and I hope to god we never do. Similarly, we drool/covet/buy the authentic and high end gear if it takes our fancy and is affordable.

No one should be apologizing or justifying themselves for buying from these countries if that's their personal choice.

What pi$$es me off and gets extremely tedious is this seemingly continual fueling of the argument and issues being created where we as a forum have none.

Live and let live, it's quite simple really.

[testdruif]

This discussion will probably never end...

Almost all electronics being made are bound to have some components in there that come from china if not all components are.
If it would be produced in the EU or US it would cost 10 times more for absolutely everything...

It's the same with food. The ingredients are being made in countries where it's cheap to make them. then it gets shipped to the EU or US and made into the final products (if even that happens).
It's still cheaper to ship everything from the end of the world than to make everything local, it comes down to economics. The world has become too big, to many people, to much consumption requirements...

The world would not be able to support itself otherwise so nothing will be changing unless we go back to way way back making our own food, clothes and others and then we'll be spending £3000 for a tv that's immensely huge with a little screen why? because we won't have the local resources to make anything smaller or create technology because there is no money or a cheaper labour force.

[kibbster]

At the end of the day I'd love to source everything I need from a local business but I wouldn't have much if that was the case and I doubt I'd want to pay enough for it.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

I also think there's enough dicks in the world of vaping that think paying over £100 for an atty is what everyone should do because they can afford to.


Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards

[testdruif]

I wonder where the people producing high end mods get their "resources" from.
I'm sure they don't go to their local smith to purchase ss or brass tubes

I'm all for supporting the original mod makers by buying an original mod whenever I can. Without them we would not have innovation!

But in the case of e-cigs, the first priority for everyone should be to be able to get away from the real cigarettes by buying affordable replacements!

[Die5el]

Most of our vaping stuff comes from china quite a few vendors import from china then whack the prices up selling them here, common thing these days

[Super-Shiny]

Jan 4, 2014 16:06:58 GMT Perpetua said:

Thing is Super-Shiny, we don't have an issue with clones/buying from China on this forum

Nor do i, that's why i have 2 x Nemesis clones

[Deleted]

This sort of thread is tedious with a capital T ... this is a vaping forum not a political or sociology pulpit ... live and let live and quit preaching.