The Rise of the E-Cigarette:

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And I'm sure I spotted a SQuape in there LOL.!!

[Chrissie]

All I'm going to do & say is state some facts for anyone new reading this thread.-

1st - The producers & researchers of The Rise Of The E-Cigarette, "Tonight" program needs sacking. That diagram was a disgrace & showed how little research they did & made a farce of the whole show

secondly - THERE IS NO OIL IN E-CIGARETTES!!!!!!!!

Thirdly - I've been vaping for over 5 years - no ill health side effects just tons of positive ones!

[Balllsy]

I must say on the whole there was more positive from the program. But in my opinion the couple of minutes showing the woman claiming ecigs killed her husband because they contained "oil" did more damage than we could ever imagine. Why was there no counter argument to assure her there is no oil in ecigs.

[womble]

Jan 23, 2014 21:35:33 GMT Balllsy said:

I must say on the whole there was more positive from the program. But in my opinion the couple of minutes showing the woman claiming ecigs killed her husband because they contained "oil" did more damage than we could ever imagine. Why was there no counter argument to assure her there is no oil in ecigs.

Totally agree. That 2 mins ruined the entire program. Shame really.

[ukric]

Jan 23, 2014 21:30:08 GMT Chrissie said:

All I'm going to do & say is state some facts for anyone new reading this thread.-

1st - The producers & researchers of The Rise Of The E-Cigarette, "Tonight" program needs sacking. That diagram was a disgrace & showed how little research they did & made a farce of the whole show

secondly - THERE IS NO OIL IN E-CIGARETTES!!!!!!!!

Thirdly - I've been vaping for over 5 years - no ill health side effects just tons of positive ones!

Come on now Chrissie (and please, I say this with the greatest respect)

In the early days of vaping people mixing their own were playing on a wing and a prayer. There was information, but much pioneering. It's easy to take this for granted now.

Essential oils have been used in the past by people who have mixed their own and haven't been aware. We don't know, but it's not inconcievable that it could well be true. That case was from 2010? we're 4 years on, China is producing a new CE4 every few weeks, there has been a lot of progression now, but again, it's not inconceivable.

I know we all like to romanticise vaping. But to be fair, they didn't show.. the man who's brand new pedigree puppy died (the pit), they didn't show the kid from Isreal (I think) who died consuming eliquid (Facebook) and they didn't show the man whose ecig exploded in his face (USA, V3 somethingorother, mod).

Vaping CAN be dangerous, but, if treated correctly it's (I believe) perfectly safe. But I believe they were right

A graphic? come on, it's aimed at people who might not know anyway, so long as it shows the parts that's enough.

Ill health, well, neither have I. But I'm 3 years in.. I smoked for longer, when I've vaped for 10 years I might absolutely agree. No one has done 10 years yet

[lal]

I think we also have to concede that more research is needed. We know that vaping is safer than smoking, but ultimately we don't know the long term effects of vaping . And yes, the WHO and BMA should be doing more to resource the research, but it's not their fault were don't know.

[dognero]

Good or bad at least it made 30 min airtime and people will start talking about our vaping. We all cant agree all the time but it provokes discussion.

[Chrissie]

ukric anything can be dangerous if mishandled - driving a car for starters.

[a1laserboy]

Jan 23, 2014 21:35:33 GMT Balllsy said:

I must say on the whole there was more positive from the program. But in my opinion the couple of minutes showing the woman claiming ecigs killed her husband because they contained "oil" did more damage than we could ever imagine. Why was there no counter argument to assure her there is no oil in ecigs.

I fully agree and said something similar before.


But now thinking about it, it could come across as insensitive to counter her to her face that responsibly made juice contains no oil, and that it could also seen to be the same by saying it in a clip directly after.

However, it would have been good to have mentioned somewhere in the program what main ingredients are used in juice and that none are known to present any health problems being ingested by swallowing. Obviously there is still no conclusive evidence to say that there is a danger by inhaling atomised vapour made by heating the substances, but the fact that it can all be safely swallowed and contains no oil would have gone a long way.

[ukric]

Jan 23, 2014 21:46:44 GMT Chrissie said:

ukric anything can be dangerous if mishandled - driving a car for starters.

Yep, and if they were doing a documentary on cars, I'd expect them to include something on car accidents, brakes failing etc, and road safety

You need a licence (and now some basic knowledge about cars as well) to drive legally. You don't need one to buy an ecig.

All I'm saying is your stance may be correct now, but this was 2010? It's not beyond the realms of all possibility that someone used essential oils to flavour their liquid.

[womble]

ukric, want to know more about the puppy. Please tell, haven't heard that before.

[ukric]

It was over on the Pit, one of the members had a pedigree puppy, very young, I think it could have been a Pug. Ate a 10ml bottle, and unfortunately was dead in I think 4 hours.

[djs]

Saw it. In pub. Just got grief outside from smokers who saw it. Needless to say, not many people will be convinced now. "even the ecig makers say its not safe" & "somebody died". See, people remember that sort of thing, not words like safer and harm reduction.

[a1laserboy]

Jan 23, 2014 21:55:43 GMT ukric said:

Jan 23, 2014 21:46:44 GMT Chrissie said:

ukric anything can be dangerous if mishandled - driving a car for starters.

Yep, and if they were doing a documentary on cars, I'd expect them to include something on car accidents, brakes failing etc, and road safety

You need a licence (and now some basic knowledge about cars as well) to drive legally. You don't need one to buy an ecig.

All I'm saying is your stance may be correct now, but this was 2010? It's not beyond the realms of all possibility that someone used essential oils to flavour their liquid.

You don't need to have a license to buy a car though or sell one Perhaps everyone selling cars should be licensed? In fact you get more hassle from a shop when you buy a tv asking if you have a tv license than you do when buying a car from a dealer.

I also mentioned that the unfortunate incident where the guy died was a long time ago when knowledge was much less than we have now. Again, that would have been something worth mentioning in the programme, although they did say it's the only death they could find that has been linked to e-cigs.

[ukric]

My response to that djs would be "And no one has died from smoking?"