The Rise of the E-Cigarette:

[lobeydosser]

To my way of thinking, the only people who have the money and the reasons to carry out any research on e-cigs are the very ones who have a vested interest in seeing them either banned or controlled to such a degree as to render the way that we enjoy vaping, absolutely useless.

[barrynorton]

I remember when Top Gear had all those pieces about the lung conditions that people develop from breathing exhaust fumes... never.

And when they devoted all that time to one rogue doctor who made wild claims about the plastic in petrol.

[GunJack]

Jan 23, 2014 22:00:37 GMT djs said:

Saw it. In pub. Just got grief outside from smokers who saw it. Needless to say, not many people will be convinced now. "even the ecig makers say its not safe" & "somebody died". See, people remember that sort of thing, not words like safer and harm reduction.

exactly...... unfortunately the negatives are always more likely to stick with people than the positives.

However, there were some positives in there, i.e. the vapers, and the major one which has already been pointed out, the CRUK prof right at the end - after reading some of the stuff they've come out with over the last year or so I'd not have believed it unless I'd seen it

BUT...

what about the facts that:-

1. the vaping community also thought that the VIP ad sucked...

2. the vaping community are generally in favour of more research...

3. the vaping community are generally against selling to minors...

[ukric]

Jan 23, 2014 22:02:25 GMT a1laserboy said:

Jan 23, 2014 21:55:43 GMT ukric said:

Yep, and if they were doing a documentary on cars, I'd expect them to include something on car accidents, brakes failing etc, and road safety

You need a licence (and now some basic knowledge about cars as well) to drive legally. You don't need one to buy an ecig.

All I'm saying is your stance may be correct now, but this was 2010? It's not beyond the realms of all possibility that someone used essential oils to flavour their liquid.

You don't need to have a license to buy a car though or sell one Perhaps everyone selling cars should be licensed? In fact you get more hassle from a shop when you buy a tv asking if you have a tv license than you do when buying a car from a dealer.

I also mentioned that the unfortunate incident where the guy died was a long time ago when knowledge was much less than we have now. Again, that would have been something worth mentioning in the programme, although they did say it's the only death they could find that has been linked to e-cigs.

My point is, they could have included much more, it was tit for tat, they/he has to include a balanced view. Putting accross one side only would maybe cut the viewers by half.

I agree, they could have done with mentioning that knowledge has greater availability now. But still, that wouldn't make very good TV would it? Much better to sensationalise both sides. I think anyone who believed that there would be an in depth analysis in half an hour was kidding themselves. No one I know isn't still learning when it comes to vaping. And we've been doing it longer than they've been studying it.

2010 isn't really a long time ago. (I'm going to be ruthless here) You die tomorrow, how long do you expect people to remember you? Less than 4 years?

[a1laserboy]

Jan 23, 2014 22:10:43 GMT ukric said:

Jan 23, 2014 22:02:25 GMT a1laserboy said:

You don't need to have a license to buy a car though or sell one Perhaps everyone selling cars should be licensed? In fact you get more hassle from a shop when you buy a tv asking if you have a tv license than you do when buying a car from a dealer.

I also mentioned that the unfortunate incident where the guy died was a long time ago when knowledge was much less than we have now. Again, that would have been something worth mentioning in the programme, although they did say it's the only death they could find that has been linked to e-cigs.

My point is, they could have included much more, it was tit for tat, they/he has to include a balanced view. Putting accross one side only would maybe cut the viewers by half.

I agree, they could have done with mentioning that knowledge has greater availability now. But still, that wouldn't make very good TV would it? Much better to sensationalise both sides. I think anyone who believed that there would be an in depth analysis in half an hour was kidding themselves. No one I know isn't still learning when it comes to vaping. And we've been doing it longer than they've been studying it.

2010 isn't really a long time ago. (I'm going to be ruthless here) You die tomorrow, how long do you expect people to remember you? Less than 4 years?

I do agree but I do feel there seemed to be more negative stuff without information for people to form a balanced opinion for themselves.

2010 was a long time ago in vaping terms as i think [edit] I [/edit] pointed out, people were not as clued up as they are now - there wasn't the level of info available then as we have now, and the vaping world was more of a DIY scene without the availability of juice that is free from oil products.

[lenny59]

Jan 23, 2014 21:59:28 GMT ukric said:

It was over on the Pit, one of the members had a pedigree puppy, very young, I think it could have been a Pug. Ate a 10ml bottle, and unfortunately was dead in I think 4 hours.

Maybe wrong on this but didn't Dave Dorn drink a 24mg bottle of Eliquid on VTTV the other week ?

He is still here to tell the tale..........

[barrynorton]

Related piece in the Daily Fail:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2544752/The-great-e-cigarette-debate-rages-Experts-clash-safety-pubs-restaurants-ban-them.html

[xxquartzxx]

Thought i was over-due a service ... i better get down to halfords for a oil change .... oil on the lungs ... does pg or vg contain any form of oil ?

[a1laserboy]

Jan 23, 2014 22:25:58 GMT lenny59 said:

Jan 23, 2014 21:59:28 GMT ukric said:

It was over on the Pit, one of the members had a pedigree puppy, very young, I think it could have been a Pug. Ate a 10ml bottle, and unfortunately was dead in I think 4 hours.

Maybe wrong on this but didn't Dave Dorn drink a 24mg bottle of Eliquid on VTTV the other week ?

He is still here to tell the tale..........

A grown man is much bigger than a little puppy. I expect the same might happen if the puppy ate a whole packet of bensons.

[ukric]

Jan 23, 2014 22:25:58 GMT lenny59 said:

Jan 23, 2014 21:59:28 GMT ukric said:

It was over on the Pit, one of the members had a pedigree puppy, very young, I think it could have been a Pug. Ate a 10ml bottle, and unfortunately was dead in I think 4 hours.

Maybe wrong on this but didn't Dave Dorn drink a 24mg bottle of Eliquid on VTTV the other week ?

He is still here to tell the tale..........

No idea.

Humans are much bigger than dogs and have a higher tolerance to foreign substances though I guess. That's why you can't give a dog chocolate (supposedly)

Nevertheless, die it did, and not reported by some anti-ecig person, but a vaper.

[Blownupdolly]

Jan 23, 2014 22:31:41 GMT a1laserboy said:

Jan 23, 2014 22:25:58 GMT lenny59 said:

Maybe wrong on this but didn't Dave Dorn drink a 24mg bottle of Eliquid on VTTV the other week ?

He is still here to tell the tale..........

A grown man is much bigger than a little puppy. I expect the same might happen if the puppy ate a whole packet of bensons.

Let's be fair. If you gave anything but mothers milk or puppy food to a very young pup it is liable to kill it! Bit of a daft analogy really. Although, very sad the poor thing died.

[barrynorton]

Anyone who's struggling with ITV Player, here's a torrent/magnet link:

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Hmm, the forum doesn't recognise that as a URL. See also:
re.zoink.it/52e197a0

[OneDay]

I seem to have used the word 'perspective' several times today. Here I go again. Let's keep things in perspective:-

One bloke might, or might not have, died from possibly (but not definitely) having vaped oil a long time ago.
One puppy died from eating a bottle of eliquid that should have been secured out of his reach.
These are isolated incidents but as this thread proves, they are the things people remember. That's why it was bad journalism to use the dead guy without providing any balance.

[ukric]

I think the balance was in the cancer sufferer promoting ecigs, no?

[andy01424]

Found it 50/50,do agree on issue of adverts to be honest find them childish more than anything ,even for what it was it shows theres a comotion going about Ecigs,its positives and negatives,the Cancer Research guy i was surprised with,his comments basically to me shot the others in the foot,was on VVTV chat room listening to Chris Choi discussion,least he took time out to talk not many would,should be interesting if theres any mention tomorrow on TV,he has also offered to come back on and listen ,so maybe a follow up