A cat amongst the pidgeons

[Chrissie]

Okey Dokey Heady, though i don't really feel that any class of e-cigs warrants a specific review sub forum, I'll set one up on a trial basis. If after a month there is little response, I'll archive it.

[Chrissie]

Sub forum set up.

[Gordy]

i do think one of the great things about this forum is that no one pushes the big mods to newbes and instead suggest an affordable well performing models.... there is a huge choice out there that can be bewildering to even seasoned vapers but the truth of the matter there is no 'best' solution... its like asking what is the best car?

the industry is constantly evolving ...if you ask some of our veteran vapers they will tell you of a very small market with very poor performing e-cigs ....luckily this has changed for the better and is moving at an ever increasing rate... you just cant stand still and why would you want to? if we did stand still we'd be all driving around in model T fords

as for VV its just a great way to tweak your vaping experience...sure a model T will get us from A to B but a V8 will get us there in a whole new way !!!!

[Anne (fuzzy)]

I would love the chance to be able to buy something bigger and better than my 510 to use indoors, I wouldn't care what it looked like! But with both of us unemployed, I had to buy the cheapest there was. (Big thank you to Chrissie for finding it for me )

There was no way I would have carried on smoking after my health scare which I'm still having tests for.
'They' say everything happens for a reason. It was fate that made me change to the e. cig as losing my job meant I wouldn't have been able to afford to carry on smoking anyway!

To get to the point instead of me rambling on like a demented parrot, I'm not vaping a 510 by choice, it's quite the opposite - I have no choice! So personally, I'm interested in learning anything and everything about all e cigs as hopefully one day I'll be able to afford a bigger more powerful one.
In the meanwhile, the one I have is serving its purpose, which is good enough. I'm not moaning about it, don't want to give the poor little thing a complex! Lol.

[domesticextremist]

Oct 8, 2011 18:51:55 GMT HeadHunter said:

Oct 8, 2011 18:30:06 GMT @jerryrm said:

Headhunter, I started with a mini as most vapers did. I found it to be ok, but I wanted better vapor and hit and not have to recharge the batteries every hour or two. I moved on to the eGo/Riva and that has been perfect for me.

You are still new to vaping, but don't be surprised if that a year from now, you find yourself using a Riva or maybe even a mod.

Thanks for the input BUT I do have a 510-T system already lol, I only use the look-alike during the day, it was just an open question about why we have such an amount of variations....it all seems bewildering to me with the vast array of different units available.
???

As another newbie, I would agree that it is bewildering at first.
I got the idea to obtain my Riva from lurking here mostly, as it seemed to get sound review and recommendation from some established members - I don't yet regret it.

My take on why there are so many devices and mods out there is that, whilst the e-cig
technology is fine in principle, the implementations are not there yet - so you get lots of
folks trying out tweaks and mods to try and get where they want to be.

Having had my e-cig for a week nearly, and having dissected a couple of disposables,
I can't help thinking that that this or that aspect could be better designed or implemented
(e.g the cartridges, attys and batteries ).

However, amongst the options I have been able to identify, nothing yet strikes me as the
answer to my needs, so I'll stick with what I have for now, and happily let others experiment
until the optimal solutions are found.

[hifistud]

Oct 8, 2011 15:30:54 GMT HeadHunter said:

I sat and watched VT-TV (re:Doctor Hiliary Jones, Pub vaping BBc & ITV coverage) which I am sure you are aware of or have even seen, I was astounded by the fact that not one single vaper in the pub had a super-mini or a mini, they were all holding overly large, odd shaped devices that any non vaper would have baulked at ! Not one single standard 510 tank, cartridge or cartomiser to be seen, not one mini anywhere and VT-TV pronounced it a great success, lol, I personaly do not think that it would of attracted any smokers to go over to vaping, did any of the products look like a ciggie ? I think not.

let me tell you that the ONLY time I've ever been asked not to use an e-cig in a venue was the ONLY time I used a super-mini-looky likey in that venue. Prior to that, I'd been using my GGTS with UFS attached and had never been denied permission - or even approached to ask what it was. Reason? If it looks like a fag, glows red on the end like a fag, and is used like a fag - well, you can finish the sentence yourself.

Most Vapers started off with a mini or super-mini despite whatever else they bought later and as an introduction to vaping for the general public (through the media coverage it got) it stank, it struck me as a 'click' that had got together in a pub to show off their monstrously oversized mods and have there face on the telly, shame cos it could of been so much more.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion - but your estimation of what was happening is ill-founded. VTTV was there to report on the day's events and gather footage - that the BBC and ITV reporters latched onto folks who were a) patently not with TW and b) seemed to be experienced in the art (their estimation, not mine) is fortuitous and not something we'd planned - because we didn't know the telly would be there, basically.

And no, I'd always advise against looky-likeys - they're a bad idea, a poor experience vapour-wise, have shocking battery life and, worst of all look like a fag - and you heard the second landlord in Hull - he wouldn't allow them because they might prompt someone to spark a real one up.

[Gordy]

Oct 9, 2011 0:52:03 GMT Anne (fuzzy) said:

I would love the chance to be able to buy something bigger and better than my 510 to use indoors, I wouldn't care what it looked like! But with both of us unemployed, I had to buy the cheapest there was. (Big thank you to Chrissie for finding it for me )

There was no way I would have carried on smoking after my health scare which I'm still having tests for.
'They' say everything happens for a reason. It was fate that made me change to the e. cig as losing my job meant I wouldn't have been able to afford to carry on smoking anyway!

To get to the point instead of me rambling on like a demented parrot, I'm not vaping a 510 by choice, it's quite the opposite - I have no choice! So personally, I'm interested in learning anything and everything about all e cigs as hopefully one day I'll be able to afford a bigger more powerful one.
In the meanwhile, the one I have is serving its purpose, which is good enough. I'm not moaning about it, don't want to give the poor little thing a complex! Lol.

*not trying to push big mods on anyone LOL for information only*

I dont know how handy you are with a soldering iron Anne but some of the simple box mods are really easy and cheap to make (or buy) after all they are just a battery box, switch and connector. the batteries they use are anything from £3 each and you could even charge direct from the mod to save on the need for a charger ....pop in a VV module and you have an awesome mod for the cost of 40 b&h

[Gordy]

Oct 9, 2011 11:23:51 GMT hifistud said:

Oct 8, 2011 15:30:54 GMT HeadHunter said:

And no, I'd always advise against looky-likeys - they're a bad idea, a poor experience vapour-wise, have shocking battery life and, worst of all look like a fag - and you heard the second landlord in Hull - he wouldn't allow them because they might prompt someone to spark a real one up.

I actually want to get as far away as possible from my vaping device looking like a real fag... i have a black eGo at present but even that looks too close for my comfort

[CAM-VIP]

The TV coverage (as Dave has said) was a surprise and the reason why they latched onto us is possibly because of the strangeness of the devices that Dave, Cat and Sav were using.

It was using a Tornado which is cigar like-ish and perfectly adequate for most smokers once they get fed up of the cig-a-likes.

The event that CAM-VIP has organised at The Anglers Rest is specifically aimed at SMOKERS and we are giving them look-a-likes for the evening. Other devices will be passed around BUT the idea is just to plant a seed and leave it at that - they'll decide in their own time if vaping is for them.


Russell

[HeadHunter]

Oct 9, 2011 11:23:51 GMT hifistud said:

And no, I'd always advise against looky-likeys - they're a bad idea, a poor experience vapour-wise, have shocking battery life and, worst of all look like a fag - and you heard the second landlord in Hull - he wouldn't allow them because they might prompt someone to spark a real one up.

What was your first e-cigarette ? Was it a lookalike ? or was it a fully modded shiny PV ?

As for the landlord.....surely information is the key here, could nobody of told him that it was an E-ciggie lookalike ?

What about E-pipe users ? ??? it looks like a traditional pipe
What about E-Cigar users ? ??? it looks like a traditional cigar

You seem to have a very narrow, almost blinkered view of Vaping, where it is OK for you (and all your Buddies) to vape in public but any of us vapers who would like a different choice of PV (lookalikes, e-pipes, e-cigars) are still shunned by society. I was once classed as a social leper because I smoked tobacco and now.....I am still classed as a social leper because my choice is different from yours, way to go !

I hope that nobody suggests to the Landlord that the device you are using looks like a 'Crack' pipe...... , lol.

[HeadHunter]

Oct 9, 2011 12:09:55 GMT CAM-VIP said:

The event that CAM-VIP has organised at The Anglers Rest is specifically aimed at SMOKERS and we are giving them look-a-likes for the evening. Other devices will be passed around BUT the idea is just to plant a seed and leave it at that - they'll decide in their own time if vaping is for them.


Russell

SEE lookalikes, the first step....and in a pub too

obviously the Landlord there was far more understanding or maybe He is just an intelligent person who researched into all this e-ciggie business to see for himself.

Everybody seems to love to knock the lookalike but then in the same breathe they are giving them out to help people move over to vaping, they do have a place in the vaping world, albeit maybe as just an introduction, but a place nonetheless !

[CAM-VIP]

My first ecig was the mini-pipe. I wanted something that resembled a REAL smoking device but I researched the stuff available at the time and realised that the batteries were the weak points. I went for the pipe because the batteries lasted longer on a single charge plus they were cheaper to replace.

The SD was the only real mod back then but I discounted it and the Janty Stick because they looked a bit 'druggyfied'!

Things have moved on in the last two years because of the enthusiasts, their 'mods' and general feedback. This clique of people have had their ideas used by the Chinese which have improved the kits they sell to the smoker/new user. In a way, it is similar to developments in top end motor sport eventually filtering down to the mass market of the family car. The majority benefit from the 'geekyness' of the few.

The £2 disposables that safercigs are trying to source for pubs are much much better than the starter kits of 2 years ago and we need to thank the enthusiasts and their desire for 'something better' - It is of a benefit to all of us!


Russell
Founder of CAM-VIP

[HeadHunter]

Oct 9, 2011 16:02:47 GMT CAM-VIP said:

My first ecig was the mini-pipe. I wanted something that resembled a REAL smoking device but I researched the stuff available at the time and realised that the batteries were the weak points. I went for the pipe because the batteries lasted longer on a single charge plus they were cheaper to replace.

The SD was the only real mod back then but I discounted it and the Janty Stick because they looked a bit 'druggyfied'!

Things have moved on in the last two years because of the enthusiasts, their 'mods' and general feedback. This clique of people have had their ideas used by the Chinese which have improved the kits they sell to the smoker/new user. In a way, it is similar to developments in top end motor sport eventually filtering down to the mass market of the family car. The majority benefit from the 'geekyness' of the few.

The £2 disposables that safercigs are trying to source for pubs are much much better than the starter kits of 2 years ago and we need to thank the enthusiasts and their desire for 'something better' - It is of a benefit to all of us!


Russell
Founder of CAM-VIP

A very good example, I understand far better now, thanks Russell.

And like you stated the modern disposables and mini-cigs are far better now than they were 2yrs ago, shame that most of the controlling influences on this board have not tried one in about the same length of time ! I personally think that they would be shocked by just how good the product has become, still there is a saying about 'dogs, trix and old', but I cannot for the life of me remember exactly how it goes.....lol

But it still a shame that VT-TV will not be fighting for the Vapers that have PVs that resemble real smoking items (pipes, cigars and lookalikes) instead of just playing to ignorant peoples unjustified fears.

SHAME

[CAM-VIP]

VTTV on the whole cater for the enthusiast market - nothing wrong with that.

There are plenty of vendors out there who sell look-a-likeys and some of them are very good and would suit the average smoker as long as they had a PCC or something similar (as you state in your first post). Many, many thousands of esmokers (vapers) will only use cig-a-likes, BUT they are not the target audience of VTTV.

The Electronic Cigarette Consumer Association (ECCA) will be the organisation to represent the WHOLE of the vaping community - and hopefully in future ECCA will be the first port of call for consumer based press and media attention. ECCA has its AGM at VapeFest on 22nd Oct where the full standing committee will be elected. If you are interested in reading more, please look at their website www.eccauk.org .

Russell

PS If you like pipes, I strongly recommend purchasing one from Mikrosoft - they work really well and they are affordable

[DiscoDes]

Oct 9, 2011 8:58:06 GMT domesticextremist said:

Oct 8, 2011 18:51:55 GMT HeadHunter said:

My take on why there are so many devices and mods out there is that, whilst the e-cig
technology is fine in principle, the implementations are not there yet - so you get lots of
folks trying out tweaks and mods to try and get where they want to be.

My take on "the situation" EXACTLY