Cliff Richard

[sammy13]

Aug 15, 2014 19:19:54 GMT mowjo said:

Mmm! not sure on that one Sammy! I understand your point, but would you be saying that if it was your daughter?? I agree it doesn't make them a peodophile but it's enough in todays law to get the put on the sex offenders register, when my granddaughter was 15, made up she was easily passing for 18/20 and was going to clubs using fake I.D any man in these clubs would automatically think she was at least 18 because that was the entry age, legally anyone groping her would be a sex offender, even though as far as they knew she was of legal age but from cases I've read the law will prosecute even if it's proven she lied about her age, that person goes on the sex offenders list for life and in many cases it can ruin that persons life, this Cliff thing! on the news tonight suddenly there are more claiming he abused them and no doub't there will be a few more, personally I think that no names should be mentioned until the police have concrete proof that someone has offended, then once they have proof publish the name so any others can come forward, as someone here said mud sticks, there were rumours years ago about Cliff being gay even though he had relationships with a couple of women, people forget that but remember the gay bit, not trying to make light of it but that's like saying I'm a lesbian just because I like women, I'm male but you get the gist of it,,

Mow,,,,

If my 15 year old daughter was in a club, and some bloke put his arm around her ok, if he sat next to her and put his hand on on her thigh ok, if he slapped her bottom she would punch him

If he tried to rape her he wouldn't make it to court - fact

The main point I was trying to make is that the touchy stuff will be happening in many clubs this weekend with no-one reporting anything because the bloke is just a drunk lad rather than a celeb.

[Greg]

Aug 15, 2014 19:24:07 GMT Pepperty said:

The issue I see here with historic sex abuse is: in the 1970's it was almost atypical behaviour to slap your work colleagues bottom and compliment her boobs (female obviously!) and you cannot extend that generations habits and behaviour onto this decade.

I'm not saying it was right, it was just typical. Watch TV programmes from that decade.... it clarifies.

Oh and as for Cliff Richard. My 67 year old pal who met him, spoke to his minder, and saw it happening - regularly. The bloke is gay, thats his private business unless he acts illegally.

Apparently not 

Who who saw it regularly, your pal or the minder ?

[sammy13]

Aug 15, 2014 19:33:49 GMT Greg said:

Aug 15, 2014 19:24:07 GMT Pepperty said:

The issue I see here with historic sex abuse is: in the 1970's it was almost atypical behaviour to slap your work colleagues bottom and compliment her boobs (female obviously!) and you cannot extend that generations habits and behaviour onto this decade.

I'm not saying it was right, it was just typical. Watch TV programmes from that decade.... it clarifies.

Oh and as for Cliff Richard. My 67 year old pal who met him, spoke to his minder, and saw it happening - regularly. The bloke is gay, thats his private business unless he acts illegally.

Apparently not 

Who who saw it regularly, your pal or the minder ?

Pepperty regarding what you say about the 70's this is what I am trying to say, it was ok to do certain things then, it was accepted, normal even.

As you say we can look back now and say it wasn't right, but then it was normal.

[vinny41]

It will be interesting to see if the Police involved will be investigated and charged for leaking information to the media also did they receive anything for leaking this story
there is a clear case of Double standards as the link below indicates where the current Government tried to supress information for as long as possible

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100262158/patrick-rock-downing-street-denies-a-cover-up/

[Pepperty]

my pal, she was 'in the pop scene' back in the day. She even knew Elvis

[OliverB]

Aug 15, 2014 17:31:57 GMT Pepperty said:

I'm still traumatised and dont can't believe about Rolf Harris
I know Cliff chooses not to discuss his sexuality, its a well known fact in the business that he is gay but that doesnt equate to being a child molester! in fact, it's less likely.

I just find historic abuse to be very difficult to prove, it doesnt mean it doesnt happen just that its much harder to work out dates/times/situations looking back decades and sometimes I feel its best left to rest?

Hm, well, it's been known for some time that his name is on the notorious Elm Guest House list...

This in itself, of course, doesn't mean he's guilty of anything beastly.

[davetherayon]

Aug 15, 2014 20:01:12 GMT Pepperty said:

my pal, she was 'in the pop scene' back in the day. She even knew Elvis

Did she work down the chip shop as well as him Pepperty?

[BrenD]

Wired For Sound may no longer be Cliff's worst crime of the 80's.

I'll stop with the jokes now, but I had to get that one in.

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[davetherayon]

Misread BBC article title, thought it was about high winds on the coast : "16 year old blew off Cliff"

[prr]

Speaking as an ex police officer ALL allegations of child sexual abuse MUST be thoroughly investigated. However I would say that until charged everyones annonimity should be protected. Once charged name of alleged offender could be released and thus any other victims could come forward and those allegations would be investigated. There is usually a period of several months between charge and trial, bail or remand in custody could always be extended to accommodate further investigations. But if the original accusation doesn't hold water no names are in the public domain.

gill2009 Well done for being brave enough to tell someone even at 50, and even braver of you to mention it on here. (for a brief period I worked in a child protection team, I know and understand the trauma)

[chrisjw]

As if matters couldn't get any worse.........................

newsthump.com/2014/08/18/police-claim-cliff-richard-search-unearthed-horrific-new-material/



"Life...........is just a bowl of tricks!!!!!!"

[davetherayon]

Cock up

[tomj777]

Regarding Sir Cliff, there is a Google search you can perform which produces a semi credible list: "elm guest house list" where you will find a number of known Paedophiles. be warned that this will take you into uncomfortable places full of conspiracy theories and some frightening things with sources. The phrase "not in the public interest" explains too much.
And for those who understand the phrase, this all comes with the warning TRIGGER ALERT.

Nowt good here, regardless of guilt or innocence.
:-(


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