Amazed at the speed in growth of vaping!

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The government can only justify a tax to change behaviour if it's harmful, which nicotine is not. This is harm reduction and positive so the government will have to take the hit, or is it just offset?

The UK government see a growing industry, ie let other country's ban it, over regulate it, tax it and let it flourish here. If tobaccos companies are going to decrease world wide then take as much of the new as possible. Although China will still make most of the devices they will still get their 20% cut on VAT and tax from the UK retailers, no reason why the smaller juice companies cannot grow and export.

Also I know 2 months of cancer treatment in France cost 75k. Not sure what the state pension is ATM but that buys a good few years into old age and a quick heart attack.

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I do think most humans (even including the ones in the government !) want a good heathy society. Most surveys involving giving up smoking has costs under health as the main incentives, so until the goverment do an "independent study" and find it as harmful as tobacco they cannot justify the same tax. 

[robby]

There are of course a lot more people involved than the vapers, there are vapers families who will have seen the difference that vaping has made to their loved ones health. With the growth in vapers there has been a big increase in vaping vendors, there are also jobs to be lost if they hammer vaping. I buy very little liquid or vapegear in the UK, there will always be other sources if they do tax it heavily. I still dont think they will though. They`ll just increase the fuel duty

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Yea I think they will take the hit and tax somewhere else if need be. I honestly can't believe that anyone can sit round a table and say they need people to die younger as its costing too much money. Why did up the age limit and get stricter with ID, why did they ban it in public places? No tax incentives there. 

[cigeliquid]

Oct 2, 2014 1:05:49 GMT @letsavit said:

Yea I think they will take the hit and tax somewhere else if need be. I honestly can't believe that anyone can sit round a table and say they need people to die younger as its costing too much money. Why did up the age limit and get stricter with ID, why did they ban it in public places? No tax incentives there. 

Most things we enjoy are taxed e-liquids is not going to remain untaxed for ever
As soon as they get vapeing into a nice little box with only a few main players controlling the market they will tax it and tax it hard but at the moment we are safe till after 2016

[Perpetua]

Oct 2, 2014 10:44:43 GMT cigeliquid said:

Oct 2, 2014 1:05:49 GMT @letsavit said:

Yea I think they will take the hit and tax somewhere else if need be. I honestly can't believe that anyone can sit round a table and say they need people to die younger as its costing too much money. Why did up the age limit and get stricter with ID, why did they ban it in public places? No tax incentives there. 

Most things we enjoy are taxed e-liquids is not going to remain untaxed for ever
As soon as they get vapeing into a nice little box with only a few main players controlling the market they will tax it and tax it hard but at the moment we are safe till after 2016

Regrettably that's also my personal thinking Cige . . . additionally I don't see how any Government body such as the MHRA, that has spent a lot of time and resources looking into the whole ecig/vaping market won't take some sort of action or control over our habit. They'll want to see some ' pay off ' for that time, meet a target.

But I live in hope of us being quite wrong.

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Tax;

1. Need = 0% ie food
2. Enjoy = 20% ie TV
3. Harmful/to change behaviour ie smoking, driving due to congestion, now the ozone layer = +20%

If less of the population are smoking due to e-cigs and cancer rates decrease (something they have been monitoring for years) how can they tax no.3, the media would have a field day.

Anyway I'm kinda playing devils advocate for discussion but I hope I'm right.....!

[redz]

Oct 1, 2014 22:24:55 GMT @zero said:

What money grabbing politician could resist taxing nicotine liquid as much as they can under the pretence of health...yeah right. Last I heard rules are a changing 2016 on nic base. I've made sure I have loadsa72mg in the freezer and enough hardware to last a life time. A bit of wire, cotton wool, battery and Bobs your uncle!
I feel sorry for the people to come who haven't found vaping yet and by the time they do it will be so controlled and over priced they won't want to try. Its as if the government want people to stay on fags.

I hope they don't tax nic base, but they most likely will. 

I think(hope) the hardware: mods, ego type batteries, atties and such will escape the tax as they can be used for 0 nic juices as well as nic based.

I think it's the juice that contains nicotine that will be focused on.

[dagl]

...so if we (nonsmokers) now live an estimated, (lets say) another 10 yrs.. What exactly is in it for the government? We'll all be claiming another 10yrs pension, we'll all be using our bus passes and other such benefits longer. We might need elderly care.. or perhaps nursing care.
Is it really in the interests of the country to encourage such costly behavior?

[moblee]

They always Tax items that are a Everyday essentials for most, Petrol,Food,Drinking,smoking, they won't pass up the chance to make money on Ejuice !

If they Tax sex I'm going to ask for a Rebate

[robby]

Oct 4, 2014 8:31:54 GMT moblee said:

They always Tax items that are a Everyday essentials for most, Petrol,Food,Drinking,smoking, they won't pass up the chance to make money on Ejuice !

If they Tax sex I'm going to ask for a Rebate

Wish I was paying more!!!!!! 

[monty]

We're still a bit behind in Somerset. I'd be interested to see the figures. There are a couple of reasons I can think of for the recent rise. First entry level atties are better than ever - if the eleaf istick is the real deal this will provide another boost. Second there is probably a tipping point. When something like 30% of smokers in an area switch, the other 70% are going to take notice.

[kailey]

Some people seem to be trying their hardest to demonise ecigs. Organisations like WHO seems to have acted against all proper science and has ignored the proper scientists. It is in the governments interest to get people to believe ecigs are bad so they can put massive tax on the few that will be left when regulations come into place. Maybe I am being pessimistic but I see tax rises on ecigs and other things such as products that contain sugar which is now being made out to be the new tobacco.

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Oct 1, 2014 21:16:57 GMT Marcus said:

Have been vaping "full time" for just over 2 years and the growth is amazing.
Have not seen growth like I have with vaping in anything else.
Every week there is a new company with a new hi-end "must have" dripper and mech mod.
There are now soo many "gourmet" eliquid vendors that the choice is totally overwhelming to a newbie.
When I first started, a decent setup was over £100 in the UK.
Now for £25/30 you can get something with a minimal voltage drop and all the bells and whistles...

Seems like everyone and their mums are making ejuice now

I don't think I could afford a decent set up....My first set up (3 years ago) was a £15 plastic box mod from Liberty flights (mechanical) with a load of 14500s (fire something?) and a trust fire charger. Heap of cartos and some e-liquid (soon started mixing LOL)

Och and some bank bags (the old fashioned ones) to keep cartos filled and to be used in (at least 6 for a day) and used cartos in

[robdelmar]

Oct 1, 2014 22:53:09 GMT Edge said:

Oct 1, 2014 22:24:55 GMT @zero said:

What money grabbing politician could resist taxing nicotine liquid as much as they can under the pretence of health...yeah right. Last I heard rules are a changing 2016 on nic base. I've made sure I have loadsa72mg in the freezer and enough hardware to last a life time. A bit of wire, cotton wool, battery and Bobs your uncle!
I feel sorry for the people to come who haven't found vaping yet and by the time they do it will be so controlled and over priced they won't want to try. Its as if the government want people to stay on fags.

The Government doesn't want people to stop smoking for several reasons.
Direct tax on tobacco products.
Tax paid by tobacco employees.
Tax paid by workers from related industry (printers, packers etc).
The number of people who die early due to tobacco products saves millions in state pensions and benefits.

Tobacco is a cash cow for the Government why stop it.

Tax and control of Nicotine liquid will come in to force within 3 years due to the big tobacco and chemical companies enforcing it.

thinking the same plus big pharma benefit from drug sales from smoking related desieses