Lewis Hamilton & Others...

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Nov 24, 2014 21:38:26 GMT Raffles said:

Nov 24, 2014 21:32:38 GMT @purple1234 said:

I see , do you like single malts? Have you tried aberlour 10, and how many drops of water do you add to your whiskey?

Drops... drops... what are you talking about... till it comes to the top of the glass.

Shock horror icon followed by lol icon plus the like button .

[prowler]

Nov 24, 2014 20:09:47 GMT chrisjw said:

I'd sell a body organ (not that they'd be in much demand.... ;D) to go to a Grand Prix....it's on my bucket list.......but I'd want to do it proper.....Pit lane & all sorts.............

chrisjw You're only a few miles from one of the best circuits in the world. I hope you can make it someday.

[jeffc]

Who mentioned water in scotch (whiskey). Never contaminate a good whiskey with anything.

Unless it`s more of the same. ha,ha.

Soon time in a few weeks to down many a dram, yummy.

[Raffles]

Greg... I apologise for my remark earlier in this thread. I meant that you can be very forthright and that is good. It was just that your comment stung a bit, in that it implied I didn't care about someone being horrifically injured. I think we've all been a bit traumatised with recent events on the forum, and even 'tongue in cheek' remarks can be misunderstood at the moment.

[Greg]

Nov 25, 2014 11:30:30 GMT Raffles said:

Greg... I apologise for my remark earlier in this thread. I meant that you can be very forthright and that is good. It was just that your comment stung a bit, in that it implied I didn't care about someone being horrifically injured. I think we've all been a bit traumatised with recent events on the forum, and even 'tongue in cheek' remarks can be misunderstood at the moment.

Raffles apology accepted.
I wasn't for a minute suggesting you didn't care about the injured driver, I was simply stating that your view that white van man was taking more risks than a F1 driver was seriously flawed and I used the injured driver to emphasise the point.

I think if you raise contentious ideas, and you alluded to this in the initial post, then you have to accept you will receive responses you don't like when others feel your view is incorrect.

Generally I tend to speak my mind but at the same time mean no ill towards those of a different view, after all we are each entitled to our opinions.

[mart166]

Nov 24, 2014 20:45:50 GMT VapingBad said:

It's only Hamilton and Alonso that command that sort of money, quit a few drivers have to pay millions to get a drive and it cost millions just to get to the levels below F1. When a top teams spend $300M+ a year they don't want to skimp on the driver, plus Hamilton in particular is a huge draw for sponsors.

The quote above saves me a lot of typing.

I have been in motorsport all my life, a lot of people do not realise that even when you "drive" for good teams as I do, it's me that pays to be there, no prize money or any financial income. I gambled most of my lifes earnings on being a touring car driver (I got there in Belgium Touring cars, but still had to pay for privilage), the gamble is obviously being a decent driver, but also luck comes into it, right place right time, for me it never paid off, but I still drive when I can afford it. I do agree that maybe the F1 payments are a little OTT, but when you look at how much drivers invest overall, how much employment it makes not only in motorsport it spreads down, then good luck to Hamilton, even though i'm not a fan of his. Theres much more involved than anyone can realise unless your involved.

MP

[charliehorse]

From here www.crash.net/f1/news/207581/1/f1-2014-driver-salaries-published-but-who-earns-most.html

F1 drivers wages 2014
Drivers:

1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari €22m
= Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €22m
=Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing €22m
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes €20m
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes €16m
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes €12m
7. Felipe Massa Williams €4m
= Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 €4m
9. Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Pastor Maldonado Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Sergio Perez Force India F1 €3m
12. Adrian Sutil Sauber €2m
13. Kevin Magnuseen McLaren-Mercedes €1m
= Valtteri Bottas Williams €1m
15. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing €750,000
= Jean-Eric Vergne Scuderia Toro Rosso €750,000
17. Jules Bianchi Marussia €500,000
18. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber €400,000
19. Daniil Kvyat Scuderia Toro Rosso €250,000
20. Max Chilton Marussia €200,000
21. Marcus Ericsson Caterham F1 €150,000
= Kamui Kobayshi Caterham F1 €150,000

I know some drivers are called pay drivers these days, but is it not the case (in F1) that it's the drivers sponsors that pay for the seat and not actually the driver himself ?
As for whether any of them deserve the big bucks, I don't think it's about deserve, rather that that's what someone is willing to pay them.

Edit to add The above figures don't include any bonus payments for race wins, podiums, points positions etc

[mart166]

Nov 25, 2014 14:54:09 GMT charliehorse said:

From here www.crash.net/f1/news/207581/1/f1-2014-driver-salaries-published-but-who-earns-most.html

F1 drivers wages 2014
Drivers:

1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari €22m
= Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €22m
=Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing €22m
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes €20m
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes €16m
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes €12m
7. Felipe Massa Williams €4m
= Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 €4m
9. Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Pastor Maldonado Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Sergio Perez Force India F1 €3m
12. Adrian Sutil Sauber €2m
13. Kevin Magnuseen McLaren-Mercedes €1m
= Valtteri Bottas Williams €1m
15. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing €750,000
= Jean-Eric Vergne Scuderia Toro Rosso €750,000
17. Jules Bianchi Marussia €500,000
18. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber €400,000
19. Daniil Kvyat Scuderia Toro Rosso €250,000
20. Max Chilton Marussia €200,000
21. Marcus Ericsson Caterham F1 €150,000
= Kamui Kobayshi Caterham F1 €150,000

I know some drivers are called pay drivers these days, but is it not the case (in F1) that it's the drivers sponsors that pay for the seat and not actually the driver himself ?
As for whether any of them deserve the big bucks, I don't think it's about deserve, rather that that's what someone is willing to pay them.

Edit to add The above figures don't include any bonus payments for race wins, podiums, points positions etc

Lucky B*****ds

Am I bitter ?

Course I am lol, and I bet they dont buy a round after the race !!



MP

[bonnieboy]

Nov 25, 2014 15:08:30 GMT mart166 said:

Nov 25, 2014 14:54:09 GMT charliehorse said:

From here www.crash.net/f1/news/207581/1/f1-2014-driver-salaries-published-but-who-earns-most.html

F1 drivers wages 2014
Drivers:

1. Fernando Alonso Ferrari €22m
= Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari €22m
=Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing €22m
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes €20m
5. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes €16m
6. Nico Rosberg Mercedes €12m 
7. Felipe Massa Williams €4m
= Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 €4m
9. Romain Grosjean Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Pastor Maldonado Lotus F1 Team €3m
= Sergio Perez Force India F1 €3m
12. Adrian Sutil Sauber €2m
13. Kevin Magnuseen McLaren-Mercedes €1m
= Valtteri Bottas Williams €1m
15. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing €750,000
= Jean-Eric Vergne Scuderia Toro Rosso €750,000
17. Jules Bianchi Marussia €500,000
18. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber €400,000
19. Daniil Kvyat Scuderia Toro Rosso €250,000
20. Max Chilton Marussia €200,000
21. Marcus Ericsson Caterham F1 €150,000
= Kamui Kobayshi Caterham F1 €150,000

I know some drivers are called pay drivers these days, but is it not the case (in F1) that it's the drivers sponsors that pay for the seat and not actually the driver himself ?
As for whether any of them deserve the big bucks, I don't think it's about deserve, rather that that's what someone is willing to pay them.

Edit to add The above figures don't include any bonus payments for race wins, podiums, points positions etc

Lucky B*****ds

Am I bitter ?

Course I am lol, and I bet they dont buy a round after the race !!



MP

True and unlike the rest of us they don't need to buy their tyres and pay for their petrol either 

[Ripshod]

I'll never question what a person earns. The way I see it:

Formula1 drivers take their lives in their own hands, and rely on technology running on it's limits to get them to the end of the race without killing them. They also rely on the other drivers not to kill them. Stressful? Hell yeah! Insurance? Fat chance. The wage is the insurance.

[mart166]

Nov 25, 2014 18:04:39 GMT Ripshod said:

I'll never question what a person earns. The way I see it:

Formula1 drivers take their lives in their own hands, and rely on technology running on it's limits to get them to the end of the race without killing them. They also rely on the other drivers not to kill them. Stressful? Hell yeah! Insurance? Fat chance. The wage is the insurance.

Funny enough, i'll never drive a car unless it's insured, to replace a touring car would cost £250,000 more money than I could get, it adds a huge expense but it's that or life in debtors prison (I did right one off once). Life insurance I dont worry, moneys no use in hole in ground, but when I started checked my health insurance who said I was covered if it was a hobby and I was not being paid.

MP

[mart166]

Now i'm just getting boring, anyone interested in motor sport and want a chat don't hijack this thread anymore, either start a new one or PM me, after 28 years behind the wheel got lots of boring stories to tell lol.



MP