Watts the difference?

[mowjo]

OK folks I'm confused again! this time it's Watts, using my protankII and 1.8 coils between 6.5w and 8.5w it seems to suit me and gives me pretty good flavour, and since I now direct lung hit I get pretty good clouds, when I crank it up to the full 11w it seems to loose the flavour a bit verging on a slight burnt taste, what confuses me is I watch all the vaping vids and most seem to vape between 8.5w and 10w, so why the need for mods that go up to 30w 100w or more??? are these extra watts just used for drippers and advanced stuff and this sub ohming?  I see the new updated 25w Defender is out for pre order and I quite like the look of it, but for someone like me thats just likes basic vaping do all these extra watts acually mean anything? as I said at just 11w my juice starts tasting c**p I can't imagine what it would taste like at 25w,,

Mow,,,

[Greg]

mowjo yes you've summed it up quite well.

Protanks and the like do struggle with higher wattage as they can't provide enough airflow to keep the temperature down hence the burnt taste.

If you wanted to increase your wattage then you really need to start looking at RBA's or drippers which allow much greater airflow and better wicking charateristics.

There are some general atties such as the nautilus which are good for around 15 watts or a tad more but RBAs are the way to go for higher wattage.

Even kayfuns top out for me at around 15-20w.

[robby]

The protank2 wicks cant keep up with the juice demand, my kayfun is peaking at about 15 watts too, probably my coiling as it`s the first one with nickel I have done. With direct lung vapes you are removing the vaper from the atty very quickly and a more prolonged time, the wick tries to keep up but cant quite cope

[Ripshod]

Jan 25, 2015 16:28:32 GMT robby said:

The protank2 wicks cant keep up with the juice demand, my kayfun is peaking at about 15 watts too, probably my coiling as it`s the first one with nickel I have done. With direct lung vapes you are removing the vaper from the atty very quickly and a more prolonged time, the wick tries to keep up but cant quite cope

^^^^^^^^^^^^^This.

As the wick dries it loses flavour - you're already experiencing this. Go too far an it'll burn whatever juice is left, or the wick if you use cotton.

I'm surprised though that the kayfun is so restricted robby. Just from the look of it I'd expected 20watts. But then you are using nickel

[robby]

Probably my wicking, as everyone knows here lol, I hate coiling. My temperature control is cutting in at about 15 watts on the flask. I should put 2 wicks in it and 25 or 30 watts shouldn`t be a problem. What I was trying to say in my post is that long vapes are more likely to suffer from a drying coil and shorter vapes may not have the same problem as the liquid you will need is close to the coil

[mowjo]

Thanks Greg! that all makes sense now! I'm finding my Protanks and Iclear30's quite airy, mind you on the Iclear I drilled out the hole in the drip tip to improve airflow and it's even better now, looking at the 150w mods compared to mine I reckon I'd need a drainpipe for a driptip and be standing in a wind tunnel to get the best out of it, the more I learn about Vaping the less I seem to know, at least now when talking with other vapers I can hold a conversation instead of standing there with that "WTF are you on about" look on my face,,

Mow,,,

[mowjo]

I'm back because Robby and Ripshod posted after my reply, going on both you comments does that mean that you shouldn't really lung hit with atties like a Protank, I tend to do a slow draw and so far it has been fine, the only thing I have noticed is that since I've started lung hitting I vape at 6.5w before I started doing that I would vape at between 8.5w and 9.5w, perhaps it's time for me to move up to an RBA,,

Mow,,,

[robby]

Yes, they arent really made for lungfulls Get an RBA and start playin with the rest of us lol

[Greg]

Jan 25, 2015 17:06:57 GMT mowjo said:

I'm back because Robby and Ripshod posted after my reply, going on both you comments does that mean that you shouldn't really lung hit with atties like a Protank, I tend to do a slow draw and so far it has been fine, the only thing I have noticed is that since I've started lung hitting I vape at 6.5w before I started doing that I would vape at between 8.5w and 9.5w, perhaps it's time for me to move up to an RBA,,

Mow,,,

Yes for lung inhales you really need big airflow. If your a competent Coiler or willing to learn I'd recommend an Orchid V4 from fasttech, really well made and a snip at £6ish. They are dual coil only so a bit more of a fiddle than single coil RBAs but if your ordering from FT give one a go, if it's a faff you can come back to it later.

for an easier lung inhale you could try a kanger sub tank mini, myepack have them and they have the advantage of stock coils or an RBA base and big airflow which is adjustable.
Having tried the sub tank myself yet but reviews rate them and I have one on its way.

[mowjo]

Thanks Greg! I like the look of that Orchid but a lot of the reviews I've seen say it's prone to leaking, I looked at the V6 and they say there are no problems with leaks, so I'm thinking V6 I'm just learning to re-wick but these look easy to work with, I want to go with pre-made wires for now, but what ones would I need for it?

Mow,,,

[Greg]

The V4 can leak but not if it's wicked correctly, the only time mine leak is afte a fill. I've not tried the V6 but I believe they have a glass tank which is a bonus, the down side I see is I always fill from the top as filling a V4 from the bottom is VERY tedious.

The other advantage I see in the V6 is that the airholes are extended slightly above the juice/wick deck which allows a little more forgiveness regarding leaky airholes if your wicking isn't quite positioned correctly. Like all RBAs they all have their foibles and take a little time to iron out any issues through refining your technique.

Whichever one you go for you'll get help with any issues, there's plenty of experienced users with most RBAs on the forum.

I can't help with pre made coils from FT as although I have some ive never used them as the inside diametre of the coils are way too small for my liking. They're also quite flimsy and therefore not great for rewicking
There stock is growing all the time though so maybe they have better now, maybe someone who uses their premades can advise.
You might be better buying one of those Kuro coiler sets which make making your own microcoils a doddle, again from FT and only about £4 a set.
If you go for your own coils I'd recommend stealthvape for kanthal supplies, 0.25 and 0.3mm Kanthal is a great starting point.

[mowjo]

Greg! I'm stealth buying at the moment! Sneaking stuff in when the Mrs isn't looking, it looks like it will work out a lot cheaper than buying pre-made coils, I'm making a list so once my order comes from FT I'll be ordering the V6 and the rest of the bits, I should get away with it if I convince the Mrs I'll end up saving money by making my own stuff, I'm not saying she's tight even though her bum squeeks when she walks, she's just one of those that if it's not being spent on her it ain't worth it, If she reads this I'll pretend someone hacked my account, I really need to live a bit longer yet!

Mow,,,

[Greg]

mowjo, when the whinging and scrutiny gets too much just get stuff delivered to work

[TillyFTW]

My advice is to tell your mrs to put a sock in it and go and wash some dishes

That's what i do

[Perpetua]

I've got/used these coils from FT Greg, mowjo:

www.fasttech.com/p/1945901

They've been the best in terms of inside diameter/ease of threading etc out of the ones I've bought from them.