explain the sub-ohm craze?

[VapingBad]

For cloud chasing very high airflow & high VG percentage are more important that power, high power is something different and still needs good airflow and wicking but for is denser and more flavourful IMO. I don't like inhaling that fast, I lung inhale at the speed that feels right for me and personally cloud chasing feels like gasping after you have held your breath for a while. You are still getting through the nic cloud chasing on 3 or 6 mg as you only dropped that low because it is unpleasant to vape strong liquid at those volumes.

As Tom says it is a personal thing and fine if done responsibly, but there are more and more inconsiderate idiots making life harder for all vapers. Increasingly noobs are buying high power mods, big airflow drippers and filling with high (>30%) VG juice and posting their cloud shots on the net and concerns me how many take that set up down the pub etc.

[Pepperty]

I vape both, I like chain vaping at 2.5 ohms at 5v on my billet box. I enjoy lung inhales at low ohms on my vaporshark at 20/25 watts and I like being able to swap up and mix up styles and squonking and dripping and regulated mods and mech. .. variety is the spice of my vape life!

These isn't a 'best'way, just lots of choice and options and I prefer to experience everything as I do with all my different vape gear and juices

[Tom]

Mar 27, 2015 12:28:06 GMT @johanino said:

So now someone explain the difference between sub-ohming and cloud chasing

I felt driven out of this forum by the amount of threads on sub-ohming. Maybe it was paranoia? Who knows

Didn't personally notice we got 'these sort of threads every few weeks' - didn't mean to offend and if it causes much more offence I shall ask the mods to delete this thread Tom

But curious now to know the difference in appeal between sub-ohming and cloud chasing....

When push comes to shove it's about what keeps you away from the stinkies - not how much juice you are vaping; how you are vaping; and what strength

Vaping is (note) an alternative to smoking stinkies and a hobby for many of us as well. Not something to stress over the finer nebula points

I have thicker skin than to take offense.

I just thought I would mention how it makes me feel, or no-one would know...

Seeing post after post saying 'i vape at 11w', 'i vape at 7w', 'any more is stupid', 'why would anyone do it', 'its pointless' just starts to niggle at you.

I agree with you wholey on whatvever works for you is ab fab

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with egos and ce4s... In the same way theres nothing wrong with sig 150s and 0.3 ohm coils.

Weve always been a all-welcoming forum

Sub-ohming is traditionally what cloud chasing was all about... sub-ohming and getting low in ohms meant getting high in watts on mechs. They are often lumped together but since vv/vw high power devices, it matters less about ohms.

Cloud chasing is just making the biggest vapour cloud you can.

The odd thing is, is that somewhere in between big clouds and big flavour the paths cross. A big dense cloud also comes with a big dense flavour

Once you get 100w plus it kind of dissappears, but 50-60w on an open RDA creates a flavour that is just fantastic. *for some juices.

The need for higher power comes with massive airflow, big airflow cools the coil, so more power is needed to heat it to where it needs to be. The coils also need more power to heat up as they are thicker...

Pretty sure I'm just rambling now xD

[markm]

Sub ohm is a very simple thing, it's a coil with a resistance less than 1 ohm.
There have been a number of "sub ohm" specific tanks that have come out recently.
due to a couple of factors, one is the higher wattage box mods that are fashionable, and
The desire to run these at higher power. Prior to dedicated tanks being available it was
The preserve of RDAs which not everyone has the skill or knowledge to use.
Yes they do give more vapour, but that's only part of why people like them.
They also give more of a hit and enhance flavours.
They produce dense vapour, but the volume is determined by length of puff.

There is now another path that means using very low resistances. That is temperature control.
In order to find a resistance wire that changes it's resistance enough when it heats up
The easiest to calibrate were the very low resistance wires previously used as non resistance
Wires. It would be impractical,to use these wiresat anything other than the lower end of the sub
Ohm range.

Cloud chasing is doing everything you can to create the biggest thickest cloud, it is a single
Minded approach that means looking at: high VG juices, low or zero nic levels, fine tuning airflow,
Making coils that extract the best performance from your power supply.
And finding the best atomiser to put all this together, which is currently drippers.
Ultra low resistance coils being only one small element.

[VapingBad]

@johanino cloud chasing is making huge clouds of vapour, like everything in varying degrees.
Sub-ohming is a poor phrase as it really only applies to mechs where you have to go below an ohm to get above 16 W. High power vaping can be cloud chasing, but can cover several styles of vaping. I like to have larger wicks to spread the heat and med-high airflow (Kraken full open, Origen 2nd form largest air holes), but will adjust the airflow & watts together to get the flavour I like, so high power means very satisfying hits at 3 or 4 seconds where it would be 8-10 on the iStick.

[*-SARIN-*]

<rant> I was going to write "sigh, another one of these threads" but it seems that others have already noticed that these come up every few days atm. Tom pretty much nails it on the head with his thoughts in so far that it might not appeal to everyone but don't knock it until you try it. As for being antisocial, well that's a matter of opinion and i'm fed up of being victimised just because i blow big clouds. I won't sit in a pub or restaurant and fog the place up but neither will i hide in a corner like a smack addict doing something wrong. When people question what i'm doing i will explain to them and sometimes let them have a go. When people start to complain or state that they are more dangerous than smoking then i will defend the practice that stopped me slowly killing myself to the hilt - whatever type of vaping i'm doing at the time.

</rant?

Anyway i hope that you all have a better Friday than me.

[Tom]

I think maybe the 'cloud chaser' label is a matter of perspective...

I'm pretty sure most people who have only experienced 'level 1 clearos' would see me as a cloud chaser.

I am definitely not.

Anyone who blows anything thicker than mine I would say is a cloud chaser.

I build normally between 0.3 to 0.6 depending on the atty and I am looking to extract best performance for flavour. I am definitely sub-ohming.

I would say I am a flavour chaser, and a certain size of cloud goes along with that

Make any sense?

or are we all just repaeating the same stuff in different words? xD

[*-SARIN-*]

^^^ No i agree with that mate.

[Deleted]

Doesn't appeal to me, but it's everyones personnel choice Imo, if folk enjoy high watts or making big clouds fair play! It would be a terrible world if we all thought and did the same.

[keepitgoin]

For me it all depends on what Atty and Juice combo I'm Vaping. All day, on a Kayfunalike, or a Lemo Drop, I Vape between 1.2 oHm and 1.9oHm around 12-18 watts. On a Dripper, single coiled, 0.8 oHm. I'm just trying Dual Coils for the first (and not last!) time with a newly acquired Aga T7 (I do like UD stuff!) at 0.8 oHm but am upping my wattage to 20-22 watts with a nice Custard.
I appreciate 0.8 isn't VERY Sub oHm, but it suits me when I fancy changing my Vape around.
The experimenting and "Messing" with different set up's and Flavours, changing the Power and resistance is keeping my Vaping interesting for me.
I've kinda done all the juice Flavours (NOT all the Juice Makers, yet!) so I'm quite settled on Types of Juice, now it's about trying different methods of delivering those Flavours, so I can enjoy them to their full potential.
I must say though, a Kayfunalike, a Juice I like and mid-range resistance and power is grand all Day, but it's nice to have a Play about and see what cock up's I can make, and MAYBE what new experience I can discover as a Vaper.

[macmagoo]

Mar 27, 2015 12:35:17 GMT canderwood said:

For me it's all about options and finding your sweet spot, with sub ohm capable kit you simply have more options available for how you want your vape to be. My sweet spot for instance is 0.8 ohms single coil at 22w but I do sometimes whack in a higher or lower ohm coil just to mix it up a little. For me vapour density and flavour are the main things I like and sub ohm has given me more of both.

It does give you options but in my experience sub ohm does not increase flavour.

[geordie_vaper]

funny how nearly all subohm vapers i know use juice that have the highest vg possible, vg that is know not to hold flavour as good as pg... but they all use max vg juices and say they do it for flavour. i say why dont you bang some more pg in and you will get even more flavour

dont care how people vape i like watching the cloud chasers blow clouds its funny watching them fogg the room up

[VapingBad]

I agree cloud chasing is a poor phrase, but I used it as it is established and more specific than sub-ohming which is a silly phrase unless you use an unregulated device. Not sure I like labels at all.

The rise of high VG liquid concerns me more as vapers are self titrating and can only vape so much nic before it becomes unpleasant, but e-liquid ratios are definitely trending toward more VG. I know there are people who can't tolerate much PG and some (fewer) that can't tolerate much VG so variable ratios are vital, but a lot of vendors are defaulting to 50:50 so with the more recent higher powered devices the impact on others in enclosed spaces is more pronounced. Again I know there is no health risk and there vaping full VG is not a crime, but you do need to give others more consideration when you are effecting their environment.

When I started smoking you could smoke almost anywhere and gradually we were transformed form victims to pariahs and I don't want vaping to go that way. Neither am I saying high VG users or cloud chasers are wrong or bad, these things just require a bit more sensitivity to your surroundings. Most people will do this automatically, but IMO are missing the point if the think peoples concern about this is a criticism of them. We have all come across the idiots and it that's the problem, a bit like giving a reckless driver a faster car it doesn't make everyone else with that car a danger.

Seriously not having a go at anyone (except the idiots) or style of vaping, just think before you vape in enclosed public spaces as I'm sure almost all of the members here do automatically.

[canderwood]

Mar 27, 2015 13:09:42 GMT macmagoo said:

Mar 27, 2015 12:35:17 GMT canderwood said:

For me it's all about options and finding your sweet spot, with sub ohm capable kit you simply have more options available for how you want your vape to be. My sweet spot for instance is 0.8 ohms single coil at 22w but I do sometimes whack in a higher or lower ohm coil just to mix it up a little. For me vapour density and flavour are the main things I like and sub ohm has given me more of both.

It does give you options but in my experience sub ohm does not increase flavour.

That's what makes vaping an individual experience because my taste buds tell me it does. It's all so subjective and dependant on so many other variables than simply the resistance of any given coil.

[Mrsmac]

Just totally random but there is another side. I go through periods of watching what is happening on the vaping scene and sometimes not like everyone else. For instance, i was away for a few weeks and when i logged back in there was a lot of talk about subtanks, lemos, atlantis, sub ohm coils etc. I genuinely do not really understand the devices and would not knock anyone who uses them but also feel a bit out of the loop and what is happening and whether or not it would be for me.

The vaping world changes so fast and it is all about finding what works for you and trying new things. I'm still using kayfuns exclusively which in vaping days is ancient! Thank God for vape meets cause i get to satisfy alot of my curiosity at those...but prepare for some silly questions in the future