TC ... is it me or what?

[gm111]

Personally I'm stuggling to find an ni200 coil from a company that does what the kanthal coil does, the closest I've got is the herakles ni200 coils but I personally love ni200 in Rdas, I think this is where the benifit of ni200 really comes into play because they have much more airflow.

[Get Off My Cloud]

Aug 7, 2015 14:56:26 GMT gm111 said:

Aug 7, 2015 12:58:28 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

First we need definitive data on what temperatures liquids can safely be vaped at and if they can go up to say 500-550f or maybe more then some clever sod needs to find a wicking material that performs like cotton but can withstand higher temperatures without scorching.

Then i would be able to vape the way i like with TC.

The boiling point for pg is 370f and vg is 554f, but you will get vapour off both of these products before these temperatures.

Yeah it's not so much the vapor production that's an issue for me it's how high a temperature these liquids are safe to vape at because i like a warm vape.
I'm not a chemist but there may well for all i know be a temperature way above the boiling point where a chemical reaction takes place that produces potentially hazardous chemicals so it could potentially be perfectly safe to vape above the boiling point until it reaches that stage of becoming dangerous.
That is the figure we need to know the figure at where it becomes potentially unhealthy.
It also gets complicated because of flavour concentrate ingredients, we also need to know what ingredients are safe and the temperature they become potentially hazardous.

[chykensa]

There was talk and 'studies' some time ago about the dangers of formaldehyde being produced at insanely high temperatures; these were much higher than we were then currently using, but with TC pushing the boundaries, are we actually getting near the point at which formaldehyde and other nasties are being formed?
That is of course a rhetorical question as no-one actually knows yet, and without further testing we will be no nearer knowing.
I'm quite happy being a bit 'old-skool' and sticking to my Kanthal coils until such point the technology does what I want it to do. At least I am one step ahead and already have a mod that will cope with TC should I decide to use it big-time.

[jeffc]

chykensa I am of the same opinion. But hopefully some of our members at VF can educate me regarding safety limits.

The do`s & do not`s.

Vape SAFE.

[sydsut]

Aug 7, 2015 18:31:24 GMT jeffc said:

chykensa I am of the same opinion. But hopefully some of our members at VF can educate me regarding safety limits.

The do`s & do not`s.

Vape SAFE.

I wouldn't worry as the findings in the study were at high enough temperatures  to render the taste bloody foul so unless you have no taste buds .......

[robby]

It certainly isn`t the be all and end all of vaping, being from an electronics working (and hobbying) background stirred my interest in it more than anything. There are too many inconsistencies between devices. You will be very lucky to find two different mods that interpret 420F the same, so it is really difficult to give out any standard advice. It really does depend on the particular mod that you are using.

I have been lucky enough to get a few mods sent to me to test and review, I think I have 9 different TC mods now. The latest couple rely entirely on the ability to shift liquid up to the coil. There is no power adjustment. Dont get me wrong, it still wont burn your wick or liquid. You can get a very hot vape this way and it wont burn your wick or liquid. The power performance will depend entirely on your setup`s ability to shift liquid. The reason being the amount of vapor that you can produce. The mod wont allow the coil temp to get to a temp that will allow burning of any kind (coils or liquid), the reason for the hotter vape being the density of the vapor you are producing. You can regulate that by turning down the temperature limit to a level that suits. You can rely on a very consistent vape experience when you do that.

Everyone is different, I dont do clouds, personally I dont want to cover the insides of my lungs with condensed PG or VG and I dont enjoy the heavy feeling in your chest. My aim has always been to get a similar experience to smoking in terms of vapor production, after that it is getting the best flavour that suits you.

I can do that fine without temperature control at about 18 watts with a decent but fairly basic coil set up. When you drip a lot you soon get to recognize the reduced flavour and it`s time to top up.

Wafflin again

[drunkenbum]

The one thing I've found since getting my vt40 with a real DNA chip is you get what you pay for. Far more consistent than my zero clone and the vape I'm getting from it is far more tuneable than a standard mod. I won't be bothering with cheap tc devices in the future

[gm111]

Aug 7, 2015 18:28:14 GMT chykensa said:

There was talk and 'studies' some time ago about the dangers of formaldehyde being produced at insanely high temperatures; these were much higher than we were then currently using, but with TC pushing the boundaries, are we actually getting near the point at which formaldehyde and other nasties are being formed?
That is of course a rhetorical question as no-one actually knows yet, and without further testing we will be no nearer knowing.
I'm quite happy being a bit 'old-skool' and sticking to my Kanthal coils until such point the technology does what I want it to do. At least I am one step ahead and already have a mod that will cope with TC should I decide to use it big-time.

I read somewhere that formaldehyde was only produced after 4.8 volts. Not sure how true this is.

[letsavit]

For me I'm either single coil temp control or duel mech, don't do watts anymore, all my watts only regulated mods have now gone. As im 15-30watt vapor Temp control allows me to push single coil attys to thier limits and is consistent from start to finish of the tank. From the screen reading I know a kayfun will use different watts through out the tank. Normal base,normal wicking a kayfun will use anywhere between 12-18 watts so wouldn't use a kanthel build past 12watts. Temp control I get the best out of my favourite atty regardless of how perfect my wicking is, or not . Duel coil drippers and tanks like the goblin etc for me don't get to temp for me to notice, im not pushing them, hence I use kanthel where I can dry burn and re wick easy.

Temp control is not going give you some amazing vape, it's much the same, you're just heating a coil but with a more "control"

Sqounking and temp control for me go hand in hand, can't remember to squonk then 2/3 lugs, just squonk, when vaper tapers off I just squonk again.

[gm111]

Aug 7, 2015 18:28:14 GMT chykensa said:

There was talk and 'studies' some time ago about the dangers of formaldehyde being produced at insanely high temperatures; these were much higher than we were then currently using, but with TC pushing the boundaries, are we actually getting near the point at which formaldehyde and other nasties are being formed?
That is of course a rhetorical question as no-one actually knows yet, and without further testing we will be no nearer knowing.
I'm quite happy being a bit 'old-skool' and sticking to my Kanthal coils until such point the technology does what I want it to do. At least I am one step ahead and already have a mod that will cope with TC should I decide to use it big-time.

So edit from above there was a study on formaldehyde aparently done with a ce4 clearomiser and was detected at 5 volts at which you would be getting a dry hit, I don't think we really need to worry because you should hardly get a dry hit and never with temp control.
Video about it here (contains strong language)

[letsavit]

Don't think you can use volts, temp yes, but no solid data is available...Dr F done a report and I was expecting it to be temp related, it wasn't. 5 volts to a pro tank won't be the same as a dripper with massive coils to heat, large saturated wicks and no juice flow restrictions.

All we have for now is taste, If it tastes burnt it's not good for you..!

Edit..didn't watch vid BTW...

[TillyFTW]

Kanthal and watts = Win

TC = lolz

I strongly believe that those supporting TC are only doing so because they want to act like they are flirting on the boundaries of innovation, and being technologically advanced. They want to talk about it at science club, and all wear a t shirt sporting the word "future". This denial allows them to ignore the fact that TC builds are in fact, well shabba

I would rather suck from the garden hose that has been plunged deep into the public toilets at Millwall FC, just after half time, than suck through a drip tip that is attached to a shitty TC device.

[decoy]

its handy on drippers

[buggritt]

TC is a lot of faff for little gain. If any. Once you've got your coil and wick sorted, Kanthal is fine.

[robby]

Aug 8, 2015 1:34:57 GMT TillyFTW said:

Kanthal and watts = Win

TC = lolz

I strongly believe that those supporting TC are only doing so because they want to act like they are flirting on the boundaries of innovation, and being technologically advanced. They want to talk about it at science club, and all wear a t shirt sporting the word "future". This denial allows them to ignore the fact that TC builds are in fact, well shabba

I would rather suck from the garden hose that has been plunged deep into the public toilets at Millwall FC, just after half time, than suck through a drip tip that is attached to a shitty TC device.

You are such a shrinking violet TillyFTW, why dont you say what you mean FFS    How`s that Austin 7 of your goin? ............................... just jokin