TC ... is it me or what?

[Tom]

Aug 7, 2015 22:10:56 GMT gm111 said:

Aug 7, 2015 18:28:14 GMT chykensa said:

There was talk and 'studies' some time ago about the dangers of formaldehyde being produced at insanely high temperatures; these were much higher than we were then currently using, but with TC pushing the boundaries, are we actually getting near the point at which formaldehyde and other nasties are being formed?
That is of course a rhetorical question as no-one actually knows yet, and without further testing we will be no nearer knowing.
I'm quite happy being a bit 'old-skool' and sticking to my Kanthal coils until such point the technology does what I want it to do. At least I am one step ahead and already have a mod that will cope with TC should I decide to use it big-time.

I read somewhere that formaldehyde was only produced after 4.8 volts. Not sure how true this is.

This is certainly not true!

4.8v is merely the voltage being applied to a build so depending on your coil resistance, this could be 20w or 150w.

Even though voltage is only half the picture (actually only 1/3), wattage, voltage, resistance, all have nothing to do with formaldehyde production.

Recent studies show that formaldehyde production, at significant levels, is found when atomisers are run dry, dry hits...

Temp control has the ability to prevent said dry hits.

Although as previously noted by chykensa, there s still much we don't know in regards to production of nasties at higher temps.

Studies being done by Dr Farsalinos currently are beginning to really increase our knowledge in the area but theres still a long way to go

[Deleted]

I'm not convinced enough to even try TC. Having followed various threads on the subject, there seems to be far too many variables in the TC equation for it to be a viable option for me. Happy enough with my vaping experience at the moment and don't intend to change it any time soon.

[robby]

Aug 8, 2015 8:25:42 GMT striker42 said:

I'm not convinced enough to even try TC. Having followed various threads on the subject, there seems to be far too many variables in the TC equation for it to be a viable option for me. Happy enough with my vaping experience at the moment and don't intend to change it any time soon.

We all have the choice and we all have a different perspective on it and there isn`t a single thing wrong with that

[Deleted]

Aug 8, 2015 8:30:11 GMT robby said:

Aug 8, 2015 8:25:42 GMT striker42 said:

I'm not convinced enough to even try TC. Having followed various threads on the subject, there seems to be far too many variables in the TC equation for it to be a viable option for me. Happy enough with my vaping experience at the moment and don't intend to change it any time soon.

We all have the choice and we all have a different perspective on it and there isn`t a single thing wrong with that

It's kinda like the flavours debate for me robby, TC is very much subjective. It's great that some members take the time to post their experience with TC, but for me personally, I think for my lifestyle with my job, it could mean atty's and mods being bounced off every wall and ceiling available. Having said that, I will probably at some time in the future have a dabble with TC. I bought two sig 75 mods, not because they had TC, but because I liked the look and the form factor, if they had been vw devices only I would still have purchased them.

[robby]

From my point of view striker42, I dont see much of a flavour improvement over a good VW setup at the right amount of watts for ME. That`s not to say it doesn`t happen, taste is very subjective and I think my taste buds are just too tired to flag up much difference. I do see a small difference with a warmer vape, much the same as the difference with hot tea and luke warm tea. So a consistent warm vape is what I go for and the flavour follows on from that

[TillyFTW]

Aug 8, 2015 7:59:08 GMT robby said:

Aug 8, 2015 1:34:57 GMT TillyFTW said:

Kanthal and watts = Win

TC = lolz

I strongly believe that those supporting TC are only doing so because they want to act like they are flirting on the boundaries of innovation, and being technologically advanced. They want to talk about it at science club, and all wear a t shirt sporting the word "future". This denial allows them to ignore the fact that TC builds are in fact, well shabba

I would rather suck from the garden hose that has been plunged deep into the public toilets at Millwall FC, just after half time, than suck through a drip tip that is attached to a shitty TC device.

You are such a shrinking violet TillyFTW, why dont you say what you mean FFS    How`s that Austin 7 of your goin? ............................... just jokin

I was always shy growing up mate

The Princess is running like a dream

[gill2009]

Aah TillyFTW...I've missed your hilarious posts ...I enjoy them so much 

[decoy]

cool cars but there tc wasnt v good(prone to over heating)

[baron]

Wow, I remember the Princess, (not pimped up like that green one though) as my Boss had a red one. He got me to drive it over to Southampton to make a quick delivery there to make a customer happy.
It wasn't a fun experience for me. I seem to remember no power steering so it was heavy (I could be wrong), lumbered about like a whale having a fit, and handled like an oil tanker, and I don't think the brakes were up to much either.
But, I think it was quite comfy to sit in, very roomy inside, and this was back in the early 90's, but my memory may be playing tricks.

By the time I got back to Cowes a few hours later, I had just about got the hang of it and was beginning to enjoy the thing, but not sorry to get out and then later to jump into my Vauxhall Senator 2.5 - loved that car.

[tim]

I found out the advantage of TC this weekend. After vaping a couple of tanks and drippers dry whilst drunk, I think that a TC mod should be used by anyone who likes a tipple. Or three......

Just my thoughts

[VapingBad]

There is defiantly a lot of confusing advice and the mods vary in quality a more than VW, just as VW devices varied more than VV as the complexity, need for accuracy and consistency are much higher. You don't need to be a geek to use it, all the same conditions apply about airflow, wicking & coil contact area that apply to everything else. Not enough vapour or having to turn the temperature can be a build problem, people seem to find wicking obvious, air flow a little less so. But adding contact area seems to get missed, try more loops of coil if the limit comes in too quick or you want more vapour.

[robby]

I think that we have to consider at least every different manufacturer as an individual learning game with TC. You certainly cannot trust the temp display to be the same on different mods with the same settings and atty. It`s about fine tuning. If you cant be bothered to do that then TC isn`t for you. I`ve got 8 different TC mods now and you cant treat any two exactly the same. We even have ones that dont give you a power adjusting option as well now when on TC. Then there`s Joules and Watts, PWM and normal regulation. "Suck it and see" seems to be the way to go

[letsavit]

Aug 11, 2015 0:35:33 GMT VapingBad said:

There is defiantly a lot of confusing advice and the mods vary in quality a more than VW, just as VW devices varied more than VV as the complexity, need for accuracy and consistency are much higher. You don't need to be a geek to use it, all the same conditions apply about airflow, wicking & coil contact area that apply to everything else. Not enough vapour or having to turn the temperature can be a build problem, people seem to find wicking obvious, air flow a little less so. But adding contact area seems to get missed, try more loops of coil if the limit comes in too quick or you want more vapour.

I'm vaping a kayfun now, must of built a 1000 now, not running its best, must of got the wicking wrong, blocking a juice channel or something........but with temp control I'm getting the best out of it, more than good enough to finish the tank. If it was on a watts only mod I would have to dump it. So a "build problem" can be vaped, that's why I love TC....

[VapingBad]

You are right about the variance between models robby, but that is largely quality of both design and manufacture, more so than price even. Being exact to a number of degrees with in reason is not as important as smooth output, consistency, speed of the sensing and the control programming. IMO get a good one and they are easy to live with, plus they all work with Kanthal so you still have a good device if you decide you prefer it.

[letsavit]

Aug 11, 2015 2:00:49 GMT robby said:

I think that we have to consider at least every different manufacturer as an individual learning game with TC. You certainly cannot trust the temp display to be the same on different mods with the same settings and atty. It`s about fine tuning. If you cant be bothered to do that then TC isn`t for you. I`ve got 8 different TC mods now and you cant treat any two exactly the same. We even have ones that dont give you a power adjusting option as well now when on TC. Then there`s Joules and Watts, PWM and normal regulation. "Suck it and see" seems to be the way to go

Yep, it's hard to advise newbies, even the experience use it in different ways, add the fact you highlighted of so many mods now doesn't help either.....

Temp control.....just another setting to learn and if it can benefit you, but all it's doing is managing the watts and volts.....