NHS to offer e-cigarettes on prescription

[vapee]

I believe you can get patches, gums etc with or without a prescription so in theory there can be ecigs on prescription and without too. With the amount spent by the nhs/tax payers on the current nrt products I doubt it'll cos them that much to offer ecigs on prescription instead if thats a worry, they'll just be less patches, gums etc bought instead by the nhs. Also if everyone switched to ecigs lets say through a prescription, sure that could cost extra in tax but then the nhs would have to spend less treating diseases so financially there can't be an argument made against it. Whether the nhs approved ecigs actually work is another matter though and should be the main issue, but it could be a good idea to have both on prescription and advanced current devices sold freely side by side to help people switch.

If their idea is just to have ecigs on prescriptions then they may aswell not bother as that'll force some people who use ecigs to go back to smoking in many cases or have to get around it anyway. It also depends on the devices they want to offer, if it's going to be the same type that was around 6 years ago with the atty and carts that would overheat and not wick properly most of the time then that'll be of no use lol, An ego with evod at least could be of some use to some starting. Also flavourings are the biggest thing, if they're available in just menthol and some random tobacco flavour no matter what device it won't appeal to everyone.

The ideal scenario would be to have a few setups available on prescription, even an istick 30 + subtank or protank can be made cheap if bought in millions of units, then have a range of flavours to go with it, that can be tested to some degree just to make sure theyre relatively safe, but claiming itll need years of testing for each flavour and alot of cash is a myth, all thats needed is to firstly make sure its just pg, vg, nic, flavouring at first that should be quick and cheap to do then maybe some further testing on the flavour, but ultimately its to reduce harm not make it 100% safe. The amount of medicines available on the nhs that are more harmful than nicotine or flavourings is huge anyway. Almost every drug you can think of its used in medicine somehow too.

For our current devices just making sure the manufacturer does some testing on electrical devices like other electronics sold in the UK would be good enough if its not being done most of the time already, and some standards to keep eliquids within a safe range which should also not cost much, they could even setup labs and subsidise the costs of testing liquids. I think some of those huge figures for testing each liquid individually are firstly over inflated, secondly include a huge amount of waste involved which would probably just end up in peoples pockets that it shouldn't and thirdly are way over the top than any other type of testing and almost assume that analogues are 100% safe and therefore eliquids have to be too.

[buggritt]

Aug 21, 2015 22:58:27 GMT tim said:

Aug 21, 2015 22:55:29 GMT sydsut said:

They're going to need a vast army of Customs officers to go through every single package from China that arrives in the UK. FT don't put on the parcels what they contain anyway.

No, they don't Syd, but if a fine of £1000 is the result of being caught, how much will you order?

Where did that number come from?
This thread is becoming an Angry Frank sketch.

[Deleted]

On prescription you say..........

All my prescriptions are free

[markm]

Right now we have two different camps within tobacco control bidding for control of the industry.
So I need to ask, as they offer no significant harm to the user, or bystanders. They contain no
tobacco And they are used as a consumer product, why do we assume TOBACCO control have
any right To proffer bids. Ecigs are being accepted as a harm reduction product, which is hard
to argue against. Having said that, lots of things are used in harm reduction, condoms for instance.
But harm reduction is NOT how most people use them. We have not chosen to hand control of
condoms to any public health group simply because they claim it. Most people try ecigs because
they are smokers who have had enough of smoking and want to try an alternative. To the users
ecigs are neither medical nor quit tool. Ecigs are clearly a consumer choice, one that has no
impact on anyone, lending no one any rights to take over to save us from......well that's what
they can't quite define, they just KNOW they need control.

This is a genuine petition, not an attempt to harvest your personal data

www.change.org/p/uk-department-of-health-jane-ellison-uk-government-should-refuse-to-implement-article-20-of-the-tpd-in-light-of-phe-report?recruiter=20621084&utm_campaign=signature_receipt_twitter_dialog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

[tim]

Aug 22, 2015 15:39:51 GMT buggritt said:

Aug 21, 2015 22:58:27 GMT tim said:

No, they don't Syd, but if a fine of £1000 is the result of being caught, how much will you order?

Where did that number come from?
This thread is becoming an Angry Frank sketch.

It's a normal maximum fine from Govt. It may be less. Or more. But breaking import laws will be punishable.

I'm not get all het-up, I'm just saying.

[tim]

Aug 22, 2015 18:33:08 GMT markm said:

This is a genuine petition, not an attempt to harvest your personal data

www.change.org/p/uk-department-of-health-jane-ellison-uk-government-should-refuse-to-implement-article-20-of-the-tpd-in-light-of-phe-report?recruiter=20621084&utm_campaign=signature_receipt_twitter_dialog&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

Signed

[buggritt]

You will find tim, that those penalties apply to traders. Confiscation is the worst that can happen to a member of the public.
No personal dig with the Angry Frank comment - which always made me laugh - and all the "ifs" knocking about.
I just wondered what the thread would have been like if the news had been bad.
One positive headline and everyone is discussing the dark net and vpn.

[tim]

Not so sure they can apply penalties to foreign traders buggritt, although you are probably right about confiscation.

I quite liked the "Angry Frank" reference

And I'm not savvy enough to know where the dark net is. Is it under the bed somewhere? Only I saw some dark webs there last time I looked

[Deleted]

positive headline LOL

[robby]

It would be interesting to see the headlines after charging one of the prescribed NHS cigalikes (if it happens) unfortunately (and inevitably) caused an exploding battery.

[decoy]

Aug 22, 2015 11:50:56 GMT BrenD said:

Aug 22, 2015 11:18:06 GMT @19steve57 said:

If These regs do come into force, where will that leave a site like this, will we be able to even talk about using nicotine or even talk about mixing juice?, I still buy ready mixed at the moment, but looking to start mixing my own soon, now that I have got more experience with my vaping.
?

Worst case scenario, we might have to leave proboards. But I doubt it'll even come to that

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards

they cant shut down forums due to freedom of speech and human rights 

[GunJack]

Aug 23, 2015 5:59:07 GMT decoy said:

Aug 22, 2015 11:50:56 GMT BrenD said:

Worst case scenario, we might have to leave proboards. But I doubt it'll even come to that

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using proboards

they cant shut down forums due to freedom of speech and human rights 

this one is going to be interesting, as there wasn't much clarity if the TPD rules referred just to businesses and the media promotion, or private individuals and the likes of fora and chatrooms. The FOS argument may or may not apply, don't think we really know just yet.....

[decoy]

Aug 23, 2015 6:54:38 GMT GunJack said:

Aug 23, 2015 5:59:07 GMT decoy said:

they cant shut down forums due to freedom of speech and human rights 

this one is going to be interesting, as there wasn't much clarity if the TPD rules referred just to businesses and the media promotion, or private individuals and the likes of fora and chatrooms. The FOS argument may or may not apply, don't think we really know just yet.....

im a member of a different vaporizing forum and i cant see how that one can be left open and them shut down ecig ones
thats just daft

[sydsut]

The ambiguity stems from how they interpret promotion of e-cigs etc. It may just be obvious advertising, in press, tv, radio etc. or they could take it as any mention of vapourising and e-cigs in a positive way. In the latter case all the forums would be banned, although how you determine where a forum originates (ie. we're seen as a UK site but the servers could be any where)would be a bit of a legal puzzle. Look at the attempts to stamp out The Pirate Bay and other torrent sites. There's probably more money spent on fighting torrent sites than fighting terrorism with even less success. New torrent sites appear regularly and old sites keep re-appearing.

[GunJack]

Aug 23, 2015 6:57:42 GMT decoy said:

Aug 23, 2015 6:54:38 GMT GunJack said:

this one is going to be interesting, as there wasn't much clarity if the TPD rules referred just to businesses and the media promotion, or private individuals and the likes of fora and chatrooms. The FOS argument may or may not apply, don't think we really know just yet.....

im a member of a different vaporizing forum and i cant see how that one can be left open and them shut down ecig ones
thats just daft

exactly, it is daft... currently that's what toots and Spain are possibly facing - a complete ban... it depends on exactly how each member State interprets the TPD and how much EXTRA they want to put into domestic legislation on top of it