NHS to offer e-cigarettes on prescription

[zebby]

Aug 19, 2015 2:01:30 GMT @tubthumper said:

I honestly cant see the government supporting this. Losing millions of taxes from
tobacco sales to promote ecigs. Somethings not right here i smell shite.

Thats what I thought when the pub ban on cigs was first proposed. Nah the government cant afford to lose all that revenue a ban will bring. We all know what happened next.

[Greg]

And once there's an approved market ..................

[Greg]

Aug 19, 2015 7:22:06 GMT zebby said:

Aug 19, 2015 2:01:30 GMT @tubthumper said:

I honestly cant see the government supporting this. Losing millions of taxes from
tobacco sales to promote ecigs. Somethings not right here i smell shite.

Thats what I thought when the pub ban on cigs was first proposed. Nah the government cant afford to lose all that revenue a ban will bring. We all know what happened next.

Indeed we do, people smoked outside the pub door or smoked at home with most likely zero or negligible impact on tax.

[Deleted]

I'm sorry but I do not see this in a negative light as the report was commissioned by Health England from a number of experts to explore the safety of e cigarettes (44% of people thought they were as dangerous as ordinary cigarettes) this report should allay some of those fears and hopefully get more people vaping. Also the statement from Ash adds weight to the report and is very encouraging.Dave

[markm]

Just as with RSPH last week they have been teetering on the brink of this
For some time, it's a first step over the line, they needed to do it in a way
That others would follow.
My advice would be enjoy the headlines, don't bother reading the articles.
This is the first serious wave of positive press that ecigs have had, first time
On all the front pages.
Listening to radio so far today, the BMA spokespeople (the last big group of ANTZ)
Are struggling to say anything much, and certainly none of their previous lies.

[GunJack]

Whilst there may be some impact in the "regulated and approved" market for prescription devices, it could also mean theTPD implementation in 2016 is less onerous than it could have been, and at leadt the MHRA are running consultation groups which include vaping advocates, so reports such as today's can only help that process.

With the body and biad of evidence begonning to swing towards vaping, it can only be a good thing

[GunJack]

Bias, even...

[robby]

It`s government sponsored confirmation that ecigs are relatively safe, it`s brilliant news and something to allay the fears of doctors and health professionals who have been looking for more reliable evidence. The tide has turned with this. Currently 2.6 million vapers, that will rise significantly after this. If they do tax them heavily, that`s a government changing amount of votes. We need to be properly organized to form a lobby against too much regulation and taxes.

It`s a very important milestone in the fight and the future doesn`t have to be as negative as a lot of people think.

[GunJack]

P.s i hate posting on a phone >

[Deleted]

Anyone who thinks the powers that be has our best interest at heart with this needs a reality check.

[toots]

Is this the start of what they're doing in Spain though I wonder. Will you ONLY be able to buy e-cigs in Pharmacies in the future - are they paving the way for that scenario?

The Spanish draft TPD states the banning of online sales both nationally & internationally. E-cigs only available from Pharmacies (Big Pharma) & Estancos (specialised tobacco shops - Big T). Yes, Spain says SME's can sell licensed e-cigs but they know full well these SME's will NOT be able to afford to do so.

I don't know where the figures came from but as well as a gigantic license fee apparently to stock e-liquid the fees would be 500 euros per flavour per volume of nic eg: Apple liquid @ 3mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 6mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 12mg = 500 euros and so on for each different flavour and different nic. And that's just the e-liquid, there are supposed to be charges also for each different attie & mod etc etc etc. No SME could afford to trade with these fees plus a huge overall license fee.

[GunJack]

Aug 19, 2015 9:50:57 GMT toots said:

Is this the start of what they're doing in Spain though I wonder. Will you ONLY be able to buy e-cigs in Pharmacies in the future - are they paving the way for that scenario?

The Spanish draft TPD states the banning of online sales both nationally & internationally. E-cigs only available from Pharmacies (Big Pharma) & Estancos (specialised tobacco shops - Big T). Yes, Spain says SME's can sell licensed e-cigs but they know full well these SME's will NOT be able to afford to do so.

I don't know where the figures came from but as well as a gigantic license fee apparently to stock e-liquid the fees would be 500 euros per flavour per volume of nic eg: Apple liquid @ 3mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 6mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 12mg = 500 euros and so on for each different flavour and different nic. And that's just the e-liquid, there are supposed to be charges also for each different attie & mod etc etc etc. No SME could afford to trade with these fees plus a huge overall license fee.

Understood toots , read all that the other day.. As i stated earlier this latest should help us prevent having the TPD implemented so draconian in the UK...hopefully...

[toots]

Aug 19, 2015 10:15:53 GMT GunJack said:

Aug 19, 2015 9:50:57 GMT toots said:

Is this the start of what they're doing in Spain though I wonder. Will you ONLY be able to buy e-cigs in Pharmacies in the future - are they paving the way for that scenario?

The Spanish draft TPD states the banning of online sales both nationally & internationally. E-cigs only available from Pharmacies (Big Pharma) & Estancos (specialised tobacco shops - Big T). Yes, Spain says SME's can sell licensed e-cigs but they know full well these SME's will NOT be able to afford to do so.

I don't know where the figures came from but as well as a gigantic license fee apparently to stock e-liquid the fees would be 500 euros per flavour per volume of nic eg: Apple liquid @ 3mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 6mg = 500 euros, Apple liquid @ 12mg = 500 euros and so on for each different flavour and different nic. And that's just the e-liquid, there are supposed to be charges also for each different attie & mod etc etc etc. No SME could afford to trade with these fees plus a huge overall license fee.

Understood toots , read all that the other day.. As i stated earlier this latest should help us prevent having the TPD implemented so draconian in the UK...hopefully...

Yes, and I do hope that is the case for you in the UK - I wish that were the case for Spain too. It might pay me to move back to the UK

Edit: The best we in Spain can hope for now (which has been stated on one of the Spanish e-cig forums) is that with an election coming up next month the current government gets kicked out (there is a lot of unrest about this government on other issues) and that a new government is elected which could possibly re-draft the TPD in a more favourable way for e-cig users and traders.

[GunJack]

Aug 19, 2015 10:26:15 GMT toots said:

Aug 19, 2015 10:15:53 GMT GunJack said:

Understood toots , read all that the other day.. As i stated earlier this latest should help us prevent having the TPD implemented so draconian in the UK...hopefully...

Yes, and I do hope that is the case for you in the UK - I wish that were the case for Spain too. It might pay me to move back to the UK

I'm sure you'd fit in just fine toots

However some forum members would need to look for altternative holiday vape-meets

[igual]

I think this is both a positive and a negative, positive in the big headlines and the fact that they are finally waking up to the good that Vaping does.
Negative in the fact that they are potentially backing big T owned cigalikes which we all know are totally crap.
And as toots said this could be paving the way for big P and big T to make their move and pre emptivly scupper the work done buy SME businesses.
I still think they haven't got their heads round it that 90% of vapers do not use products made by big T.
And the fact that their market share and influence is miniscule.