Online sale age restriction 18+ proof now required UK

[Bobsbeer]

I can well understand how these types of regulations must impose quite a high burden on small outfits. I hope that the small ones survive this and the EU regulations that seem to be heading our way.

[toots]

So, where would this leave me? I only use Paypal, don't have a credit card and I don't live in the UK but I often have my goods sent to friends in the UK to bring over for me. Automatic age verification surely is impossible for international sales/customers

Would I be stopped from even entering a UK based e-cig website then?

[m4tt24]

Just recieved an email from Onepoundeliquid

Important changes to your account & shipping from 1st October 2015


Hello,

Due to recent changes in the law, as of 1st October 2015 you will have to be over the age of 18 to purchase e-liquid. Because of this, we have to be able to prove that every customer is over 18 years old. This will be monitored by Trading Standards and we can be fined up to £2,500 per sale if we do not comply.

Some companies are getting their customers to upload passports, driving licenses, utility bills etc, but we don't feel that this is a reasonable request for our customers. We are going to be using a global age verification company that performs a search through a secure network to verify your identity. This search is instant and uses information from various sources, such as the electoral roll register, birth index data, GB driving licences and credit activity data, to verify your age.

If you fail the check then your account will be blocked and you will not be able to order. Because of this, certain information in your LiQuid account NEEDS to be correct:

The bit in bold seems quite concerning, hope we're not about to start getting credit checked for verification.

[Deleted]

all i can say online stores asking for proof like photos and stuff better not be using standard free shop carts

wont take hackers long to exploit them and there goes your data on the black market

[vinny41]

Before anyone provides their birth details check here to confirm that the online - retailer has registered for the Register of data controllers

The Data Protection Act 1998 requires every organisation that processes personal information to register with the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO), unless they are exempt. Failure to do so is a criminal offence.

There are more than 400,000 registered data controllers. We publish the name and address of these data controllers, as well as a description of the kind of processing they do.

For online retailer's planning to use a global age verification company(data processor) this company would need to be registered and the online - retailer has to inform the customer the name of the data processor and obtain customer consent prior to any data transfer taking place
ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/what-we-do/register-of-data-controllers/

[vinny41]

New rules about tobacco, e-cigarettes and smoking: 1 October 2015

Published 9 July 2015


Contents
1.What the new changes are
2.Rules about smoking in private vehicles

What the new changes are

From 1 October 2015 it will be illegal:
•for retailers to sell electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) or e-liquids to someone under 18
•for adults to buy (or try to buy) tobacco products or e-cigarettes for someone under 18
•to smoke in private vehicles that are carrying someone under 18

Rules about smoking in private vehicles

From 1 October 2015, private vehicles must be smokefree if they are enclosed, there is more than one person present and one of them is under 18.

So it will be an offence:
•for a person of any age to smoke in a private vehicle that is carrying someone who is under 18
•for a driver (including a provisional driver) not to stop someone smoking in these circumstances

The rules don’t apply to e-cigarettes.

Penalties

The fixed penalty notice fine for both offences is £50. Somebody who commits both offences could get 2 fines. Private vehicles must be carrying more than one person to be smokefree so somebody who is 17 and smoking alone in a private vehicle won’t be committing an offence.

Enforcement officers (usually the police) will use their discretion to decide whether to issue a warning or a fixed penalty notice, or whether to refer an offence to court

www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-rules-about-tobacco-e-cigarettes-and-smoking-1-october-2015/new-rules-about-tobacco-e-cigarettes-and-smoking-1-october-2015

No mention of £2500 fines

Can the op please supply a link to the  UK legislation that states As of 1st October 2015 UK Law requires that before we supply e-cigarettes or nicotine orders that we get proof of age (MIN AGE 18)

The new law states

From 1 October 2015 it will be illegal

for retailers to sell electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) or e-liquids to someone under 18
•for adults to buy (or try to buy) tobacco products or e-cigarettes for someone under 18 and you must display a sign

IT IS ILLEGAL TO SELL TOBACCO PRODUCTS TO ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18

There nothing about a new law that requires that before you supply e-cigarettes or nicotine orders that you get proof of age

I for one will not be purchasing anything from your site

[igual]

Also how would this apply for example if my orders were equiptment only, no nicotine,no eliquid?
If you required age verification for muji cotton and some kanthal then it would surely effect any business selling anything that could be used in Vaping.
Crazy world.

[Deleted]

Sept 26, 2015 1:33:36 GMT igual said:

Also how would this apply for example if my orders were equiptment only, no nicotine,no eliquid?
If you required age verification for muji cotton and some kanthal then it would surely effect any business selling anything that could be used in Vaping.
Crazy world.

You mean they are going to age verify me at Boots? Or superdrug? Or savers for my make up pads and my 45p saturday pepsi max .

[vinny41]

Identity theft
Your identity is one of your most valuable assets. If your identity is stolen, you can lose money and may find it difficult to get loans, credit cards or a mortgage.

Your name, address and date of birth provide enough information to create another ‘you’. An identity thief can use a number of methods to find out your personal information and will then use it to open bank accounts, take out credit cards and apply for state benefits in your name.

ico.org.uk/for-the-public/identity-theft/

[iLardyboy]

Is this law for England & Wales only, or are Scotland and NI included?

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iLardyboy think ireland also include i could be a drop shipper for you if want stock will be safe with me in scotland less hassle but am sure customers wont want empty bottles


unsure buddy need to look into ireland

[vinny41]

England and Wales only

www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-rules-about-tobacco-e-cigarettes-and-smoking-1-october-2015

[iLardyboy]

Sept 28, 2015 18:14:16 GMT @zuza said:

iLardyboy think ireland also include i could be a drop shipper for you if want stock will be safe with me in scotland less hassle but am sure customers wont want empty bottles


unsure buddy need to look into ireland

I know I could trust you to keep the stock safe for me @zuza lol.

I thought I read somewhere that the rule applies to England & Wales, but I'm not 100% sure.

[iLardyboy]

Thanks vinny41, looks like the stock will have stay here with me @zuza!!

[Deleted]

Sept 28, 2015 18:32:25 GMT iLardyboy said:

Thanks vinny41, looks like the stock will have stay here with me @zuza!!

time to vote in the rules to apply to ireland then