TPD fob off

[johnstrangey]

Anyone else have the fob off email ref the TPD regs to come in next year? I've been stock piling nic for the last few month and if I continue to vape the same amount as I do currently and stay at 3mg I'll have enough to keep me going till roughly December 2018 ???? but I'm thinking it might be worth buying a few extra RTAs and Drippers too what are your thoughts on this do you think we will still be able to use the likes of GB or FT ect to import decent kit or do you think customs will crack down on it?

[Perpetua]

No idea . . . where did the email originate from, before you give any credence to the content.

All the speculation means precisely nothing to me personally - until we have the official and definitive ruling next year.

There may well be a cut off period anyhow - no one knows, least of all whoever sent you this email.

[geordie_vaper]

have seen this float about facebook and lots of vapers have had this email, we all knew deep down it was coming no matter what we could to try and stop it

[johnstrangey]

This was an email from the official government petition, with the governments response to the petition

[johnstrangey]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105139?reveal_response=yes

[Bobsbeer]

I'm sure we can get creative. I just ordered a soothing sore throat relieving machine with 60w of power and temperature controlled. I do have to top up with a well known sore throat remedy.

[tomj777]

Yeah. I had one of those. FFS.

[Deleted]

Ok, when it comes to these type of things I have difficulty wading my way through all the jargon so, can anybody explain this paragraph to me

"E-cigarettes do not fall under the definition of a tobacco product under the TPD. The UK’s implementing Regulations define “tobacco product” to mean a product that can be consumed and consists, even partly, of tobacco. "

If this is to believed, then it's not the TPD that is the problem, it's the UK's implementation that is causing all the grief as they are defining it as consisting of, or partly consisting of tobacco. Can anybody tell me what part of Red Astaire, GVC, Snake oil, Heisenberg etc consists of tobacco ? If I'm being a tit asking this question, then please accept my apology in advance.

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2015 17:07:02 GMT striker42 said:

Ok, when it comes to these type of things I have difficulty wading my way through all the jargon so, can anybody explain this paragraph to me

"E-cigarettes do not fall under the definition of a tobacco product under the TPD. The UK’s implementing Regulations define “tobacco product” to mean a product that can be consumed and consists, even partly, of tobacco. "

If this is to believed, then it's not the TPD that is the problem, it's the UK's implementation that is causing all the grief as they are defining it as consisting of, or partly consisting of tobacco. Can anybody tell me what part of Red Astaire, GVC, Snake oil, Heisenberg etc consists of tobacco ? If I'm being a tit asking this question, then please accept my apology in advance.

It refers to this part of petition

"Vapes are classed as a tobacco product because of nicotine but many of the foods we eat contain it too. For example tomato"

The response a very cleverly worded. In classic 'Yes Minister' style it says nothing. They answered the petition rather than the spirit of the petition

I signed this, but unfortunately as someone else said on the forum, it was very a very badly worded petition

[Deleted]

So,@kopiert "Vapes are classed as a tobacco product because of nicotine" would be an indication, according to that wording, that tobacco and nicotine are the same thing. News to me.

[*-SARIN-*]

[markus]

I guess youre on about this email.....

The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Fight the European Comission on the ridiculous regulations of e-cigarettes”.

Government responded:

The Government recognises the potential benefits of e-cigarettes to reduce the harms of smoking. The TPD introduces a regulatory framework which does not ban flavours or the use of refillable tanks.

The revised Tobacco Products Directive (Directive 2014/40/EU) (TPD), was published in April 2014 and the UK is now required to transpose the TPD into domestic law by May 2016. A consultation on the draft regulations and impact assessment was held from July to September this year. The TPD will introduce additional rules on the composition, safety and presentation of e-cigarettes to ensure a high level of health protection for UK citizens.

Whilst the Government recognises the potential benefits of e-cigarettes and their role in reducing the harm of tobacco use and helping smokers quit, the quality of products on the market remains variable and they are not risk free. The regulatory framework introduced by the TPD is intended to provide for minimum standards for safety and quality of all e-cigarettes and e-liquids, information to consumers so that they can make informed choices, and an environment that protects children from beginning to use these products.

The TPD does not ban new flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids. The TPD permits Member States to make their own rules on flavours in e-cigarettes and e-liquids, however the Department of Health has no current plans to do so.

Refillable tanks will still be permitted under the TPD. Tanks will be limited to 2ml in size and rules to make refill mechanisms ‘leak free’ will be introduced. Consumers will remain able to purchase tank devices and separate e-liquids.

E-cigarettes do not fall under the definition of a tobacco product under the TPD. The UK’s implementing Regulations define “tobacco product” to mean a product that can be consumed and consists, even partly, of tobacco.

Following implementation of the new EU rules, there will remain a range of e-cigarette and e-liquid products on the UK market. In parallel, the prohibition on the sale of e-cigarettes to under-18s, will help ensure these products are positioned as alternatives to smoking and not a product that introduces children to vaping or smoking.

Department of Health

Click this link to view the response online:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105139?reveal_response=yes

The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.

The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

[toots]

We've got another thread going on this subject here: allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/59698/response-petition

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Nov 21, 2015 17:26:15 GMT striker42 said:

So,@kopiert "Vapes are classed as a tobacco product because of nicotine" would be an indication, according to that wording, that tobacco and nicotine are the same thing. News to me.

That is not the government reaction, but the words in the petition written by whoever started the petition. The government response was to say they are not the same thing.

Nick