NHS e mail and my reply

[Queenie Bee]

Apr 13, 2012 17:03:49 GMT alvoram said:

TBH I think it's best we just leave it, or close the thread, or whatever, because this has clearly turned into a debate between people with very differing opinions, myself included, and that's fair enough, opinions differ, but in fairness to chrissie, perps, gordy and the rest of the team here, this isn't that type of forum.

I understand where you are coming from Alvo but if we can't discuss our opinion in a healthy and honest adult way with people who we trust what is the point of having a forum about e-cigs. I think this thread as raised some very valid points and the arguments for and against are both balanced and I for one agree with some points on both sides of the fence . What ever the fate of ecigs we are all playing our role in their recognition for what ever reasons. people will either start vaping or they won't it is a simple as that. My only concern is our government seeing this as another money making option or trying to ban it completely I don't think I could bare smoking again but probably would return if they banned ecigs as it is a huge psychological part of my life my hands holding and inhaling my nicotine is the only way that works for me !

[Gordy]

a point to be raised is that vaping is adopted by smokers. vendors also have advice on their websites that vaping should only be adopted by people that smoke ....so this would seem to me that its clearly aimed and adopted by smokers that wish to replace their smoking with a cheaper, safer alternative that is vaping

[Roger]

Apr 13, 2012 17:35:21 GMT alvoram said:

Roger... I think I'd like to get involved with promoting Ecigs, the only problem is, the idea of Ecigs, as a cessation device, seems to be frowned upon by the vaping community, and that's what I'd like to promote them as, because, from my own experience, they work so well.

You are totally correct, they do work well, I smoked, heavily for 38 years and stopped overnight a year ago. It's not that they are frowned upon as you say, but they are NOT official cessation devices, such as patches etc, so we should not claim they are (but we do know the truth, they are great).

As Dave says, if they get accepted as medical/cessation devices, we could lose all our great vendors and find real problems in getting juice etc.

Bottom line is we do agree on how effective they are, but we have to be careful, please do contact Kath (Doodlebug on UKV, look in the ECCAUK sub forum).

[Roger]

Apr 13, 2012 17:43:00 GMT Queenie Bee said:

Apr 13, 2012 17:03:49 GMT alvoram said:

TBH I think it's best we just leave it, or close the thread, or whatever, because this has clearly turned into a debate between people with very differing opinions, myself included, and that's fair enough, opinions differ, but in fairness to chrissie, perps, gordy and the rest of the team here, this isn't that type of forum.

I understand where you are coming from Alvo but if we can't discuss our opinion in a healthy and honest adult way with people who we trust what is the point of having a forum about e-cigs. I think this thread as raised some very valid points and the arguments for and against are both balanced and I for one agree with some points on both sides of the fence . What ever the fate of ecigs we are all playing our role in their recognition for what ever reasons. people will either start vaping or they won't it is a simple as that. My only concern is our government seeing this as another money making option or trying to ban it completely I don't think I could bare smoking again but probably would return if they banned ecigs as it is a huge psychological part of my life my hands holding and inhaling my nicotine is the only way that works for me !

Good post. You are bound to get some differences of opinion, the good thing about this forum is that it is usually done in a fairly civilised manner, long may that continue.

[Gordy]

oh i have one more point...

i think that people are against NRT due to its failure rate. when people stop taking NRT they go back to cigs... so why the need to stop NRT whether its through gum, patches or e-cigs?

the reason i wanted to stop smoking is for health... i dont wanna die early from a horrid disease ...NRT/e-cigs can give me that ...added advantage is vaping is enjoyable and a great recreational activity

[Queenie Bee]

After reading I agree ecigs should be classified as recreational and then if people want to use them for smoking cessation on their own doing they can do so win win situation!

[Roger]

Apr 13, 2012 17:50:16 GMT Gordy said:

the reason i wanted to stop smoking is for health... i dont wanna die early from a horrid disease ...NRT/e-cigs can give me that ...added advantage is vaping is enjoyable and a great recreational activity

This

[alvoram]

Interesting you should say that Gordy, was just about to reply to Roger, having taken his advice and taken a better look at the ECCA. They make some very good points to be honest, and I love the fact they are promoting the idea of regulating manufacturers and maintaining standards, that's all good.

They also raised the point of failure rates on licensed NRT, which I had thought about before, but came to the conclusion that was down to the products they offered being ineffective, maybe there is more to it.

Roger I'm going to join the ECCA through their website, continue to read up, and see what I think from there.

EDIT: well I'll try later

"Fatal error: Call to a member function checkAnswer() on a non-object in /home/eccaukor/public_html/libraries/cms/form/rule/captcha.php on line 47"

Looks like they're trying to check the answer to a captcha question, yet there wasn't one on the registration page

[Jemima]

Don't panic Alvo, Bee is having trouble as well. I've notified Sam about the problem already so hopefully sorted soon.

[VE Jason]

Apr 13, 2012 17:50:16 GMT Gordy said:

the reason i wanted to stop smoking is for health... i dont wanna die early from a horrid disease ...NRT/e-cigs can give me that ...added advantage is vaping is enjoyable and a great recreational activity

That's an interesting one in itself....our reasons for vaping.

Coincidentally to this thread, I 've been posing a question to customers in the shop this week along the lines of...

If e-cigs/e-liquid were to come under regulation the price would rise substantially. So if your options were:

a) E-Cig @ £7 which lasted you a full day without any faff etc

b) Packet of fags @ £7 (and you are a 20 a day smoker exactly)

Which one are you going for?

[Deleted]

The reason we , use our forums , other than for a bit of banter and finding out the best bits of kit is to educate ourselves on the intricacies of vaping , the comment about elitist is harsh imo , the fact is that most of the longer term vapers tend to have a little more knowledge on the actual facts of the legalities with regards to MHRA and the direction in which vaping is going to be classified . We already know that one of the big tobacco giants is already investing in e-cigs , presumably to protect their interests as more and more people switch to vaping , how would they like it classified ?
We also know big pharma would rather not see e-cigs challenging their NRT money cow .

So I would prefer to see vaping being classified as recreational .

[alvoram]

I would quit both Jason... I can, and have, gone a day without Ecigs, so it is no where near as bad as smoking, with all those other chemicals in, even as far as addiction is concerned, at least not for me personally. If I struggled I would consider other NRT, and slowly being weaned off nicotine. Failing that I would go for a) I'd never go back to smoking now, I've come too far.

Storm, sorry, we crossed posts, So I'll answer in an edit. I have done enough research to know quite a bit of that myself, however, I will admit, that comment may have been a little harsh, but it felt like, with little else being added to the debate, it was coming down to how long we'd been vaping. I'm sorry.

[Deleted]

Apr 13, 2012 18:17:49 GMT VE Jason said:

Apr 13, 2012 17:50:16 GMT Gordy said:

the reason i wanted to stop smoking is for health... i dont wanna die early from a horrid disease ...NRT/e-cigs can give me that ...added advantage is vaping is enjoyable and a great recreational activity

That's an interesting one in itself....our reasons for vaping.

Coincidentally to this thread, I 've been posing a question to customers in the shop this week along the lines of...

If e-cigs/e-liquid were to come under regulation the price would rise substantially. So if your options were:

a) E-Cig @ £7 which lasted you a full day without any faff etc

b) Packet of fags @ £7 (and you are a 20 a day smoker exactly)

Which one are you going for?

No brainer for me Jason I was on 40 a day and some

[Queenie Bee]

Apr 13, 2012 18:21:28 GMT alvoram said:

I would quit both Jason... I can, and have, gone a day without Ecigs, so it is no where near as bad as smoking, with all those other chemicals in, even as far as addiction is concerned, at least not for me personally. If I struggled I would consider other NRT, and slowly being weaned off nicotine. Failing that I would go for a) I'd never go back to smoking now, I've come too far.

Storm, sorry, we crossed posts, So I'll answer in an edit. I have done enough research to know quite a bit of that myself, however, I will admit, that comment may have been a little harsh, but it felt like, with little else being added to the debate, it was coming down to how long we'd been vaping. I'm sorry.

well let's hope it doesn't come to that Alvo tried NRT on a few occasions and always gone back to nasties so I would have to pay out for the healthier ecig option!

[VE Jason]

You'd be amazed by some of the replies, with a large percentage choosing the fags.

When pushed for reasoning, they felt that the fags would be better value for the £7 than the e-cig