Urgent sign House of Lords petition could stop tpd

[Lee]

And are you all ready for the bad news part on this dream

According to a member on another forum, from my understanding of what they have said
EU law trumps any UK laws
So even if the house of lords vote against the laws, the EU law stands
The UK can be fined for not abiding by the law

So we have some European countries trying to stop e-cigs because of all the taxes they loose through the falling cigarette sales and bring in the new legislation

And even if our own country wanted to ignore it, they cant

Sod our health and our right to free choice

I made sure all my family are registered to vote for the European exit today

[DiscoDes]

The EU do not make laws, they make directives and the directive does not go way, however the UK law does. If there is no law then there can be no prosecution In the current BREXIT climate it seems unlikely the EU will immediately fine the UK due to the Brexit sentiment.

[Postmodern Smoking]

If the Lords are successful;
According to ashtray-blog: "Technically the EU could start “infraction proceedings” against the UK for not fully implementing Article 20, but this would prove bad timing. This is not the time encourage anti-EU sentiment!"

I believe that this is more important and worth the risk of a fine.

[Lee]

So EU don't make laws
They make directives which are just similar to laws and can carry fines for not being followed
The EU wont pursue the fines if the directives are ignored because of brexit

What happens after the brexit vote

If we stay in the EU
The same people that support the directive, wont give a toss and either push for implementation of the directive or want their blood money
Lots more people suffer from smoking related diseases and health issues, that get robbed of the chance of the choice or chance to vape

Or we exit the EU
No more directives
And the UK has the option to pass its own laws
No threats of fines

[VapingBad]

If you don't wanna sign then don't no need to derail this wonderful positive thread companying for the June referendum.

[Postmodern Smoking]

May 23, 2016 23:24:53 GMT Lee said:

...
Or we exit the EU
No more directives
And the UK has the option to pass its own laws
No threats of fines

I don't want this to turn into a BREXIT debate (there's a place elsewhere on the forum for that), but the TPD has already been passed in UK law (20th May), so even if we BREXIT the TPD will still be there, unless the House of Lord's support and vote for Lord Callanan's motion.... or the government sees it a priority to do something about it, but I guess things will be quite busy on other priorities if there is a BREXIT.

[Bobsbeer]

All I can say is GO GO Lord Callanan Not often I say that about a Conservative, but this is a worthy exception.

[VapingBad]

41,422 3rd most popular petition this week on change.org

[striker42]

I think people can see your concerns Lee, but the most important thing for us as vapers at the moment, is getting the Lords to support the fatal motion. The rest we will deal with as and when it happens in the future.

[VapingBad]

42,011

[Postmodern Smoking]

If you've signed the petition (only takes a minute).... please also share too with friends, family, Facebook, Twitter, however you can, asking them to support by signing & sharing too.
Maybe also ask your vape shops / vendors to use their mailing lists / websites to promote the petition if they haven't already?



There are supposed to be 2.8 million vapers in the UK; 42,000 supporters is so far only 1.5%.... we need to reach as many as possible, and quickly.

[calnorth]

More hand wringing for hand wringers:

"E-cigarettes are still 'a bet' and diseases may emerge within 10 or 20 years, warns Imperial College "

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/24/e-cigarettes-are-still-a-bet-and-diseases-may-emerge-within-10-o/


“This raises the question of whether they could be a 'gateway' to smoking conventional cigarettes".

Ban Tobacco then..FFS! This and many other things going on at present tell us exactly why we are in a mess! And have been for a very long time.

[VapingBad]

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May 25, 2016 7:16:00 GMT calnorth said:

More hand wringing for hand wringers:

"E-cigarettes are still 'a bet' and diseases may emerge within 10 or 20 years, warns Imperial College "

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/24/e-cigarettes-are-still-a-bet-and-diseases-may-emerge-within-10-o/


“This raises the question of whether they could be a 'gateway' to smoking conventional cigarettes".

Ban Tobacco then..FFS! This and many other things going on at present tell us exactly why we are in a mess! And have been for a very long time.

I find this so frustrating the line could just as easily have said, and been just as accurate if it had stated

"E-cigarettes are still 'a bet' but diseases may not emerge within 10 or 20 years, says Imperial College "

They tell the truth, we don't know, but spin is just irritating. 

[BrenD]

As nobody else has posted this...

www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-support-parliamentary-moves-to-block-crazy-e-cigarette-regulations/u/16711205?tk=ZaMy-rM3mEi4NmZMU-dZoQN5q6KQWo1MktEFJZoUFbg&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email