Premixed nicotine & tpd

[tim]

There will always be the "not quite white" market, but that is going to be troublesome/dangerous. Feckless rule-makers make life harder.....

[car147]

Great advice from all here, don't worry about getting your head around making your own nic base, it really is simple once you start mixing. Plus the good folk on here will always keep you right, any questions don't hesitate to ask, as we will soon get you self sufficient .

[Postmodern Smoking]

Don't get too daunted goodkidd , I've made a picture below which shows one way that you can make 100ml of your premix from stronger 72mg/ml nicbase..... not much harder than making orange cordial!

(I've rounded figures making it easier to measure)




[ETA] - 100ml measuring cylinder available on ebay or creamsupplies.co.uk

[DaveJ]

Oct 19, 2016 20:31:01 GMT tim said:

There will always be the "not quite white" market, but that is going to be troublesome/dangerous. Feckless rule-makers make life harder.....

Every nic using vaper in OZ needs to deal with the "not quite white" market. Under state laws, simply holding 3mg/ml juice without a script makes you a law breaker.

It is troublesome. And makes it needlessly hard for the smoker/potential new vaper to get their head around all they need to know and do to get started.

Hopefully your lawmakers don't go quite that far though.

[DaveJ]

Oct 19, 2016 23:11:55 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Don't get too daunted goodkidd , I've made a picture below which shows one way that you can make 100ml of your premix from stronger 72mg/ml nicbase..... not much harder than making orange cordial!

(I've rounded figures making it easier to measure)

This. Truly excellent Postmodernsmoking.

I well remember my first time mixing, goodkidd . Trepidation doesn't begin to cover it.

But with some sound advice from a forum, all my stuff laid out, a quiet area to do the mixing uninterrupted and a few printouts of guides that others had offered, I followed the instructions I had been given and mixed .... and it worked fine.

I do use this method myself - occasionally mixing up a big batch of "base" that suits my own needs. I keep that bottle handy in the fridge. Each time I want to mix up a new flavour, I measure the required amount of flavour into my destination bottle, then top off with my custom mixed base. Quick, simple and easy for me.

[striker42]

Slightly off topic DaveJ. The law regarding vaping in your part of the world varies widely across the state's. Who is responsible for policing the loony law and how do they go about enforcing it ?

[Perpetua]

I must confess to having become something of a fan of pre-mix base myself, having bought a litre when it was on a very good discount pre the TPD madness . . . . I can now see the attraction and convenience - so I've carried on making my own.

Making your own, you'll also find it more cost effective goodkidd.


( ghostrider1971 this thread might also be of interest to you. )

[striker42]

I hope the padlock on my freezer door doesn't raise too much suspicion.

[DaveJ]

Oct 20, 2016 3:49:03 GMT striker42 said:

Slightly off topic DaveJ . The law regarding vaping in your part of the world varies widely across the state's. Who is responsible for policing the loony law and how do they go about enforcing it ?

Ah, well... it's sorta complicated. That is, aside from the fact the laws are loony.

Vaping is a bunch of separate things that all come together - and various parts are separately regulated.

First - the hardware. The mod and the topper/atty/tank.
Mostly these are currently unregulated. Some states have B&M shops selling these components. There are also Australian based online sellers.

Except for my one state (Western Australia) that has ruled that the hardware is illegal to sell or supply (but not to own if sourced from out of state), since it is a non-tobacco product that resembles a tobacco product. Such legislation was created many years ago (in the late 60s I think) - to ban things like those "fag" lollies that sorta looked like cigarettes and were thought to encourage children to smoke. This law and resultant vendor charge was taken to and challenged/appealed in court. The vendor and we vapers lost.

There are various unsubstantiated whispers that other states are considering similar rules.

Second - the e-liquid.
E-juice without nicotine is, so far, unregulated throughout the country. We have many local juice vendors (both online and B&M) who make and supply nic-free vaping liquid. As a result, many of our local juice makers supply "doublers" which are, in essence, "one shot" flavours intended to be mixed at a ratio of 50 % with your own "nic base".

However, liquid nicotine suitable for vaping - either concentrated or mixed down to vapable ratios - is stipulated by Commonwealth law to be a "controlled poison" and the States will control how that is handled. Each and every state then, separately has laws which essentially all read the same "Nope. No way, no how." There is one exception to this provided by Federal law - and that is by using the medical exemptions provided by our Therapeutic Goods Administration, which basically says you can bring controlled amounts in so long as you have a doctors script for it.

The Federal Government allows for it's import so long as it is within the State's guidelines, so Federal Customs do not yet stop it "at the boarder" and, so far, we vapers get our mail order nic through. It is the States who hold responsibility to police the possession of the controlled/banned substance. There has been several cases where, err, less than straight vendors have been charged with supply of nicotine liquid to consumers. But, to the best of my knowledge, no general vaping consumer has yet been charged with that offense.

Really rather crazy since I can legally buy bottles of nicotine juice uncontrolled from local supermarket shelves .... although it does have the label "Quick Mist" on it and it contains additions I'm somewhat uncomfortable with.

Of course we have "not quite white" market sellers who will supply nic juice. Facebook, apparently, is full of such sellers. Likewise, some smoke shops who dabble in vaping gear "on the side" often, apparently, have under the counter nic juice. Likewise many stalls in local weekend markets.

Other laws?
Well, the Tobacco control folk are pushing hard with some States to further the "no smoking advertising" through to Vaping. With the result that at least one Vaping B&M had to black out their store front windows and hold all their stock under opaque counters.

The end result?
The law is an ass - and vaping is only partially controlled. So far, essentially, nic possession by the domestic consumer hasn't been enforced. Other results are the creation of a seemingly healthy black market in overpriced banned nic juice of unknown and dubious quality. 

[DaveJ]

Oct 19, 2016 14:59:33 GMT VapingBad said:

Only in 10 ml bottle, IIRC it is worse in that after 20th Nov only existing stock of larger sizes can be sold, before 20th Nov you can get what you always could.

Forgive my ignorance of the detail of your TPD.

After the TPD's introduction and after existing stocks run out, am I right in understanding that you guys will be limited to buying juice/nic (ready to vape or "nic base") in max bottle sizes of 10 ml?

Ten ml max?

In your position, aside from stocking up before then, I'd be ...... errr, no. I ought not say nor encourage law breaking ought I? 

[ghostrider1971]

Perpetua - Thank you for tagging me - yes, am keeping a very close and interested eye on this one!

I definitely need to start stocking up soon and will definitely have questions regarding this for calculations for a kind forum member to point me in the right direction :-)

[Richard46]

Oct 20, 2016 7:37:22 GMT DaveJ said:

Oct 19, 2016 14:59:33 GMT VapingBad said:

Only in 10 ml bottle, IIRC it is worse in that after 20th Nov only existing stock of larger sizes can be sold, before 20th Nov you can get what you always could.

Forgive my ignorance of the detail of your TPD.

After the TPD's introduction and after existing stocks run out, am I right in understanding that you guys will be limited to buying juice/nic (ready to vape or "nic base") in max bottle sizes of 10 ml?

Ten ml max?

In your position, aside from stocking up before then, I'd be ...... errr, no. I ought not say nor encourage law breaking ought I? 

It is worse than that because the maximum nic strength will be 20mg/l or 2%. Will make mixing as we know it pointless, unless we have stocks or,,,,

[DaveJ]

Oct 20, 2016 8:02:53 GMT Richard46 said:

It is worse than that because the maximum nic strength will be 20mg/l or 2%. Will make mixing as we know it pointless, unless we have stocks or,,,,

Thank you.

Yes - I did recall there also being something about the max nic strength too.

Really doesn't make lots of sense, does it?

[snow]

I'm going to buy my apocalypse supplies this week - I know I've left it late I'm very tempted by the the tmbnotes premixed base which is £15.99 for a litre of 6mg @ 70/30 I may have my calculations wrong (feel free to check them lol) but I like strong flavours so I tend to bung 30ml of one shot into 70 ml of 70/30 6mg and that does me a 100ml of whatever I want and I don't really care what vg/pg or nic % that actually ends up being, it suits me. I thiiiink I'm getting through about 100 ml juice a month its hard to be totally accurate as I have 4 or 5 different flavours on the go at the same time but that seems close enough, so by my calculations with the premix I'd get roughly 14 x 100ml from a litre of premixed. Could anyone tell me how many I'd get from 500ml of pure 7.2 nicotine?

Just remembered I have the vapocalpse calculator so worked it out myself lol hmmmm must be doing summat wrong somewhere according to the calculator 500ml pure nic @6% vaping 14.2 ml a day would last me 1.15 years as compared to the 14 months the premix would give me kinda makes it about the same then however the premix would cost me £15.99 whereas the pure nic would cost me £27.50 and I'd need to buy pg & vg on top (not including glass bottle costs as the'd be the same no matter what option). 

Have I got that right? Cos that seems a no brainer to me the premix is my better option. 

[striker42]

Oct 20, 2016 9:12:15 GMT snow said:

I'm going to buy my apocalypse supplies this week - I know I've left it late I'm very tempted by the the tmbnotes premixed base which is £15.99 for a litre of 6mg @ 70/30 I may have my calculations wrong (feel free to check them lol) but I like strong flavours so I tend to bung 30ml of one shot into 70 ml of 70/30 6mg and that does me a 100ml of whatever I want and I don't really care what vg/pg or nic % that actually ends up being, it suits me. I thiiiink I'm getting through about 100 ml juice a month its hard to be totally accurate as I have 4 or 5 different flavours on the go at the same time but that seems close enough, so by my calculations with the premix I'd get roughly 14 x 100ml from a litre of premixed. Could anyone tell me how many I'd get from 500ml of pure 7.2 nicotine?

Just remembered I have the vapocalpse calculator so worked it out myself lol hmmmm must be doing summat wrong somewhere according to the calculator 500ml pure nic @6% vaping 14.2 ml a day would last me 1.15 years as compared to the 14 months the premix would give me kinda makes it about the same then however the premix would cost me £15.99 whereas the pure nic would cost me £27.50 and I'd need to buy pg & vg on top (not including glass bottle costs as the'd be the same no matter what option). 

Have I got that right? Cos that seems a no brainer to me the premix is my better option. 

At my calculation the answer is 84 bottles.