DIY NET Tobacco (Cold Maceration) Experiment

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Excellent read @yinyang thank you!

[Postmodern Smoking]

Nov 5, 2016 21:09:03 GMT Perpetua said:

Filtering I found the most time consuming part, an old pair of tights proved to be quite good for straining - the end results were really quite good and authentic tasting . . . . but then I went off of tobacco flavoured eliquid, so never tried it again.  

Mmmmm the authentic taste of old tights!

[sydsut]

Nov 5, 2016 21:09:03 GMT Perpetua said:

What seems like a long time ago now I had a go at following Kev's method here with some tobacco leaves I'd bought on Ebay at the time . . . .

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/12176/steeping-tobacco-leaves-menthol-crystals?page=1&scrollTo=243094

Filtering I found the most time consuming part, an old pair of tights proved to be quite good for straining - the end results were really quite good and authentic tasting . . . . but then I went off of tobacco flavoured eliquid, so never tried it again.  

Ooh Err missus. I hope you took 'em off first. Tease-smiley

[b1mble]

PG will kill the rubber plunger on an Aeropress.

I know this from experience...

[Perpetua]

Nov 6, 2016 11:12:12 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Nov 5, 2016 21:09:03 GMT Perpetua said:

Filtering I found the most time consuming part, an old pair of tights proved to be quite good for straining - the end results were really quite good and authentic tasting . . . . but then I went off of tobacco flavoured eliquid, so never tried it again.  

Mmmmm the authentic taste of old tights!

Nov 6, 2016 12:39:28 GMT sydsut said:

Nov 5, 2016 21:09:03 GMT Perpetua said:

What seems like a long time ago now I had a go at following Kev's method here with some tobacco leaves I'd bought on Ebay at the time . . . .

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/12176/steeping-tobacco-leaves-menthol-crystals?page=1&scrollTo=243094

Filtering I found the most time consuming part, an old pair of tights proved to be quite good for straining - the end results were really quite good and authentic tasting . . . . but then I went off of tobacco flavoured eliquid, so never tried it again.  

Ooh Err missus. I hope you took 'em off first. Tease-smiley

Don't knock it until you try it I say.


Norty pair you are! 

[yourgurnard]

'bout time there was a thread like this!
Well done @hondo

I've been at this for >a year now....in fact, I had n't actually mixed a diy juice when I decided to try using real 'baccy; going by the sticky on here for guidance.
Not to 'diss' the heat/VG method... (still grateful as it got Me into it!!..) but cold-steeping in PG works better for Me as it's less work, it filters much easier, & I don't like too much VG in My mixes 'cos of the sweetness it imparts.
I've never measured the amount of PG, just poured over the 'baccy 'till it was covered, with a bit extra.....similarly, never sterilised the jars either! So, My 'experience' is n't really any help!!!
Filtration? I still have n't got any lab filters!....dump 'baccy/solvent into a tea strainer & press/mash most of the liquid thru'; on returning from the pub...spoon the baccy into a sandwich bag, compress it into a corner of the bag, snip the bag & press as much liquid as I can into the strainer/funnel. Pour the liquid into a coffee filter in a funnel/pint glass & let it drip thru' overnight. I then put muji in a syringe & force the liquid thru' that.
Gunky? Regular coil & wick cleaning? You bet!
Worth it tho'....... 

[domejunky]

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

[sydsut]

Nov 7, 2016 0:08:08 GMT domejunky said:

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

An act punishable by a long term in prison in some countries Tease-smiley

[Deleted]

Nov 7, 2016 0:08:08 GMT domejunky said:

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

I am only starting myself domejunky but from what I have read, the purpose of straining/filtering the tobacco pulp through several increasingly finer stages is to remove as much of the fine tobacco particles as possible. How far you take this process is up to the individual ... some filter up to 10 times but for most people 2 or 3 times through coffee filters is plenty.
Regarding gently warming the PG suspension, it may speed things up a little but I personally couldn't be bothered with warming it up at each stage and intend letting it filter at its own pace overnight.

[domejunky]

Nov 7, 2016 0:55:28 GMT sydsut said:

Nov 7, 2016 0:08:08 GMT domejunky said:

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

An act punishable by a long term in prison in some countries Tease-smiley

Yeah, those Islamic countries hate sparging... ;-)

[yourgurnard]

Nov 7, 2016 0:08:08 GMT domejunky said:

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

If You're brewing, You won't have any probs. with steeping 'baccy:- it's more like letting a pot of tea stew...(albeit for 8 weeks!!!!)
I tried mesh once but gave up on it as it was an intermediate stage 'twixt tea strainer & coffee filter...it's finer filtration than coffee filter paper that I should be doing!
Use a coarse strainer as a 'rock catcher' to get the large bits of leaf out of the liquid & then refine the liquid. 

[domejunky]

Nov 7, 2016 8:19:50 GMT yourgurnard said:

Nov 7, 2016 0:08:08 GMT domejunky said:

I've been following all these threads with interest. About to take the plunge myself.

Do you think I can use the SS mesh grades I don't use for gennies to strain? I have #400 and #500

I brew beer, and the straining process reminds me of sparging the mash. Often you use hotter water in the sparge to reduce viscosity. I wondered if slight warming of the PG would do the same thing?

If You're brewing, You won't have any probs. with steeping 'baccy:- it's more like letting a pot of tea stew...(albeit for 8 weeks!!!!)
I tried mesh once but gave up on it as it was an intermediate stage 'twixt tea strainer & coffee filter...it's finer filtration than coffee filter paper that I should be doing!
Use a coarse strainer as a 'rock catcher' to get the large bits of leaf out of the liquid & then refine the liquid. 

Maybe the technique to steal from brewing is Vorlauf(ing)

The mash is a runny, sugary porridge. We manage to get clear wort by using the grain bed as a filter. The first few litres have particles in, until the grain bed settles. Those first few litres are poured back on top to go through the, now settled, grain bed.

Could the macerated tobacco not act in the same way? I imagine it would be a slower process. But can be repeated until the desired clarity is achieved. With filtering, I've often found that time and gravity are the most effective...

[beedee]

Thanks for this thread, @hondo - interesting stuff. Don't know if anyone here has tried tomato water, but there are similarities insofar as it's making a clear solution out of a solid.

I once got served it in a posh restaurant and at first thought it was a finger bowl, as it was just completely clear liquid, however, the flavour was the strongest,most pure tomato I've ever tasted. I think it's made with a fine muslin sieve with liquid dripping through it for days. All the mashing happens before the sieving.

A lot of recipes on the web have a pinkish liquid, but they all say the same thing, when you sieve it don't mash it down, as this just forces solids through the mesh.

In any case, good luck with the experiment!

[yourgurnard]

Just some more thoughts:-
@hondo @yinyang I know this is a 1st time experiment for you guys but believe Me:- it'll work!
You'll prob. have to use up to 50% of the resultant NET concentrate in Your 1st mixes to get the same strength of flavour in comparison to comm. available concentrates. If You persevere with the diy NETs tho', You'll prob. find that You can cut back on the % of NET in Your juice....& stuff You mix with comm. concentrates will seem very strong.

eg. My 1st mix (using Red Virg. wholeleaf, extracted in VG using the heat method as per the sticky here..) mixed at 30% (as per rec. above..) gave Me the 'Eureika' moment of seeing the potential.......but tasted too mild for Me.
So.....2nd go, I mixed up a 24mg. 50/50 base, & macerated the 'baccy in that for a month, filtered & vaped it.....Wow!!!
3rd go; again 50/50 but based on the orig. VG steep mixed with a 2nd PG steep (ie. the juice was composed of Nic. base, VG NET & PG NET, no plain VG or PG..) this was good as well but frustration was creeping in 'cos I was still using cotton & so constant re-wicking was driving Me mental!!
4th go:- found a packet of Old Holborn 'dregs'....this was mixed up straight as a 30% flavouring & was My favourite! (Smoked it for 30 years & the flavour caught the smell of the 'baccy to a 'T'...)
Now I was hooked!.....found the NET threads on ECF, where the concensus was that pipe 'baccy gave better results than wholeleaf......so, found an on-line tobacconist that sold 5g. samples of pipe 'baccy, giving Me the opportunity to try loadsa different ones without having to lay out lotsa ££. Around this time, I got into using mesh & dumped the cotton.
Sadly, They've stopped doing these samples so I'll be going back to wholeleaf ('cept for their Latakia which I can't live without & will happily buy 25g. of per order!!)
Now at the point where I'll vape Hangsen & BCL juices in My Taifun when out & about, but diy NETs the rest of the time......& the Hangsen/BCL stuff may not get replaced when it's used up now that I've got the Origen RDAs set up for squonking!
Oh, a coupla more thoughts:- when You've finished soaking the 'baccy....don't just junk it:- steeping some of it in Vodka for a coupla weeks, filtering & adding to the juice at up to 5% gives some added flavour & TH.
What I have n't tried yet, & theoretically, makes a lotta sense, is adding saline to the mix.........kreed wot % please?............

[domejunky]

Nov 7, 2016 21:24:03 GMT yourgurnard said:

Just some more thoughts:-
@hondo @yinyang I know this is a 1st time experiment for you guys but believe Me:- it'll work!
You'll prob. have to use up to 50% of the resultant NET concentrate in Your 1st mixes to get the same strength of flavour in comparison to comm. available concentrates. If You persevere with the diy NETs tho', You'll prob. find that You can cut back on the % of NET in Your juice....& stuff You mix with comm. concentrates will seem very strong.

eg. My 1st mix (using Red Virg. wholeleaf, extracted in VG using the heat method as per the sticky here..) mixed at 30% (as per rec. above..) gave Me the 'Eureika' moment of seeing the potential.......but tasted too mild for Me.
So.....2nd go, I mixed up a 24mg. 50/50 base, & macerated the 'baccy in that for a month, filtered & vaped it.....Wow!!!
3rd go; again 50/50 but based on the orig. VG steep mixed with a 2nd PG steep (ie. the juice was composed of Nic. base, VG NET & PG NET, no plain VG or PG..) this was good as well but frustration was creeping in 'cos I was still using cotton & so constant re-wicking was driving Me mental!!
4th go:- found a packet of Old Holborn 'dregs'....this was mixed up straight as a 30% flavouring & was My favourite! (Smoked it for 30 years & the flavour caught the smell of the 'baccy to a 'T'...)
Now I was hooked!.....found the NET threads on ECF, where the concensus was that pipe 'baccy gave better results than wholeleaf......so, found an on-line tobacconist that sold 5g. samples of pipe 'baccy, giving Me the opportunity to try loadsa different ones without having to lay out lotsa ££. Around this time, I got into using mesh & dumped the cotton.
Sadly, They've stopped doing these samples so I'll be going back to wholeleaf ('cept for their Latakia which I can't live without & will happily buy 25g. of per order!!)
Now at the point where I'll vape Hangsen & BCL juices in My Taifun when out & about, but diy NETs the rest of the time......& the Hangsen/BCL stuff may not get replaced when it's used up now that I've got the Origen RDAs set up for squonking!
Oh, a coupla more thoughts:- when You've finished soaking the 'baccy....don't just junk it:- steeping some of it in Vodka for a coupla weeks, filtering & adding to the juice at up to 5% gives some added flavour & TH.
What I have n't tried yet, & theoretically, makes a lotta sense, is adding saline to the mix.........kreed wot % please?............

Useful post.

When you talk about Old Holborn 'dregs' do you mean tobacco dregs, or dregs from a mix?

Think we've got the same taste in atomisers. I got into mesh a while back. Got an Origenny and a Le Zephr that I use for baccy.

My first rebuildable was a Taifun GS. Loved the vape but it was a pain to wick. Just recently got a GT2 - super smooth, dense vape. Better than all the Kayfuns.

Have you tried mesh in the Taifun?