DIY NET Tobacco (Cold Maceration) Experiment

[domejunky]

Nov 21, 2016 19:18:09 GMT yourgurnard said:

30% is what I use with My steeps.
As You've found:- flavour is 'subtle' compared to concentrated flavourings.....& VG is very sweet!
If You persevere with NETs; You'll prob. start reducing the amount of non-NET flavourings in Your other mixes...& cut the VG.....at least, that's what happened to Me!

Yeah, I took the 30% figure from you.

I think if push came to shove, I could probably just vape VG/PG and Nic.

I've always struggled with the sweetness of commercial tobaccos. But also struggle with too much PG...

Was it you who talked about vinegar?

[yourgurnard]

Yes, cider vinegar. Bought some 'bitter wizard' from F'Art too, but have n't used yet....

[monty]

I enjoy much of this forum but one thing that both irks and saddens me has been the discovery that so many wish to create a world of make believe. I have used the cold steeping method myself and enjoyed the results. I'm happy to hear about others trying this. But where does the 'naturally' in NET come from? PG and VG come from factories. they are manufactured, man made solvents. The real world is endlessly complicated and fascinating. Where does the need to create a fictional world come from? Why pretend the extraction is natural? It is just beyond me why people who otherwise seem pleasant, amusing, helpful and interesting find it necessary to create some parallel fantasy world where the wonders of chemistry have to be described as natural.

I'm sorry for but those of us who are content to live in the real world and marvel its fascinating workings it can be painful learning that other people want to turn it into a mythical Narnia.

[domejunky]

Nov 22, 2016 20:07:53 GMT monty said:

I enjoy much of this forum but one thing that both irks and saddens me has been the discovery that so many wish to create a world of make believe. I have used the cold steeping method myself and enjoyed the results. I'm happy to hear about others trying this. But where does the 'naturally' in NET come from? PG and VG come from factories. they are manufactured, man made solvents. The real world is endlessly complicated and fascinating. Where does the need to create a fictional world come from? Why pretend the extraction is natural? It is just beyond me why people who otherwise seem pleasant, amusing, helpful and interesting find it necessary to create some parallel fantasy world where the wonders of chemistry have to be described as natural.

I'm sorry for but those of us who are content to live in the real world and marvel its fascinating workings it can be painful learning that other people want to turn it into a mythical Narnia.

It's a fair point, PG, VG aren't really natural - although natural is a very ill defined term. I didn't even clock the thread title. To me I'm using one of the ingredients in e-liquid as a solvent. Hardly a 'parallel fantasy world'

[sydsut]

Simples. Extracted from Whole Tobacco Leaf as opposed to constructed from an array of chemical compounds in a laboratory.

[monty]

Then call it RET - real extracted tobacco.

[domejunky]

Nov 23, 2016 12:45:56 GMT monty said:

Then call it RET - real extracted tobacco.

What technique are you using?

[monty]

I first tried cold steeping, six weeks, filter replace the PG/VG and another six weeks. Put the two together and add nic. I didn't add extra PG/VG.

Tried Isopropyl alcohol. After filtering add PG/VG put in a bain marie to boil off the IPA. Windows wide open. Found no gain so I don't recommend this.

48 hours in a slow cooker on warm with an inch of water. Filtered and refilled. Warm not low or you will cook the baccy. I got the cooker up to heat then put the jars with PG/VG and baccy in the microwave to bring them up to temperature. Then tightly screw down the lids so that water can't get in.Then put in the slow cooker. The micowave bit is because if the jars warm up in the slow cooker with the lid on there is a chance the increase in vapour pressure will crack the glass. Check the water level and add more if you need too but safe to leave while your at work because warm water loss is slow.

I have tried distilling the juice to leave behind the sugars and other gungers. Result :- a very bitter juice. It has had time to mature now so I should try making RY4 out of it. If you want to try this use PG only because VG may degenerate in the still.

You can vape the juice straight away but it improves with time. Juice from aged leaves matures quicker - buck naked took 30 months to peak. Flavour does improve with time but some flavour notes diminish/disappear. For me after 18-24 months they are at their best but by that time the different tobaccos all taste similar - some differences remain. Probably could speed maturing by opening and shaking.

[yourgurnard]

I agree that the 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco' is a mis-nomer....Natural Tobacco Extraction (or Your 'RET'), is more accurate. But it IS in common useage now so why complicate things?
Look how long 'steeping' has been used in vaping circles inaccurately.............

(....Anyway, back later; off to indulge in some 'well-steeped naturally extracted hops/malt/barley infusion'!!!! )

[domejunky]

Nov 23, 2016 19:01:21 GMT yourgurnard said:

I agree that the 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco' is a mis-nomer....Natural Tobacco Extraction (or Your 'RET'), is more accurate. But it IS in common useage now so why complicate things?
Look how long 'steeping' has been used in vaping circles inaccurately.............

(....Anyway, back later; off to indulge in some 'well-steeped naturally extracted hops/malt/barley infusion'!!!! )

And that's probably 'dry hopped' - another inaccuracy...

[davemorton]

Nov 23, 2016 15:07:18 GMT monty said:

I first tried cold steeping, six weeks, filter replace the PG/VG and another six weeks. Put the two together and add nic. I didn't add extra PG/VG.

Tried Isopropyl alcohol. After filtering add...................

On a side, where did you manage to get this from, as I need some, but local chemist and boots could not supply it.

Edit: Ignore, just googled it. It is great for removing those white marks from car bumpers from wax.

[monty]

Nov 24, 2016 0:27:11 GMT davemorton said:

Nov 23, 2016 15:07:18 GMT monty said:

I first tried cold steeping, six weeks, filter replace the PG/VG and another six weeks. Put the two together and add nic. I didn't add extra PG/VG.

Tried Isopropyl alcohol. After filtering add...................

On a side, where did you manage to get this from, as I need some, but local chemist and boots could not supply it.

Edit: Ignore, just googled it. It is great for removing those white marks from car bumpers from wax.

You can buy it on ebay. My local chemist just added it to his next order, they're so good. Unlike the dragon lady who runs Boots in Wincanton, who won't sell half the stuff she stocks without a fight.

[monty]

Nov 23, 2016 19:01:21 GMT yourgurnard said:

I agree that the 'Naturally Extracted Tobacco' is a mis-nomer....Natural Tobacco Extraction (or Your 'RET'), is more accurate. But it IS in common useage now so why complicate things?
Look how long 'steeping' has been used in vaping circles inaccurately.............

(....Anyway, back later; off to indulge in some 'well-steeped naturally extracted hops/malt/barley infusion'!!!! )

Hmm maybe I'm allergic to the word 'natural'.

[Perpetua]

by monty . . . . Ebay is a good source davemorton.


www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2057872.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=Isopropyl+alcohol.&_sacat=0

[yourgurnard]

Nov 23, 2016 23:53:59 GMT domejunky said:

Nov 23, 2016 19:01:21 GMT yourgurnard said:

And that's probably 'dry hopped' - another inaccuracy...

Nope....fed up with the current trend for over-hopped 'IPA's!..